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We Have A Republican Party Waging A War Against Women And Women's Healthcare.

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 07:29 am
@glitterbag,
I think I am doing quite well on the Abortion is Immoral thread. I am making the same point there as I am here.

People who are pro-life believe that abortion should be illegal because they believe it takes a life. This is a reasonable belief based on their moral judgment. You make a different moral judgement (which is also reasonable). The issue is when you believe a fetus is a human life worth protecting.

There are women and men on both sides of the issue.

The problem is the nasty personal attacks you are making against these women and men. You aren't discussing the issue. Instead you are accusing them of being part of a Republican "war on women".

You are making a partisan attack rather than discussing the issue. There are real people, women and men, you are attacking. Your attacks are ideological, untrue and unfair.

The claim that pro-life women, of diverse backgrounds and beliefs, who believe that abortion should be illegal are waging a "war on women" is an ideological attack. That this includes 38% of women in all parts of American society including feminists and civil rights activists who likely agree with you on many issues.

Claiming that these women are part of a war on women is nasty (and silly).
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 07:45 am
@maxdancona,
Pro-life feminists will point out that many of the early feminists were strongly anti-abortion including Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cody Stanton. The modern ideological divide is artificial.

There is no reason that people advocating for woman's rights can't believe that abortion should be illegal. And many women do exactly this... I hope you listened to the women who called themselves feminists, yet were prevented from sponsoring the "Woman's March".

We have two main ideological bubbles in the US. There are plenty of us who don't fit squarely in either one; we agree on somethings and disagree on others.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 07:57 am
@maxdancona,
Whatevs, dude.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 08:01 am
@maxdancona,
Quote:
People who are pro-life believe that abortion should be illegal because they believe it takes a life. This is a reasonable belief based on their moral judgment.

And they are free to act on that belief, but not to the extent that they are free to insinuate themselves into the private affairs of others who don't share their belief.
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I think I am doing quite well on the Abortion is Immoral thread.

Assuming that a woman's control over her own bodily function is outlawed, what's to stop the law from charging a woman with reckless disregard for the wellbeing of a baby should she decide to smoke cigarettes while she is pregnant?
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 11:08 am
@maxdancona,
You must have me confused with someone else. But thanks for proving my point that you would double down on your lies about my position. I am not doing any of the things you lie about. But now you ARE getting my attention, thats really what its all about for you. You (not other men or other women) are a fabricator, a provocateur and in desperate need to identify somebody (female) who is making your life miserable. You could use a little help before you pass along your negative view of women on to your daughter or else she will be constantly twisting herself into pretzels to assure young males she's not a ball buster.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 11:47 am
@glitterbag,
Now you are attacking my daughter?

I am proud of my daughter. She is not only a good person, but she is intelligent and can state her own opinions without attacking other people. If you knew my daughter you would know is isn't going to "turn herself into pretzels" for anybody.

But, you really should leave my daughter out of this.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 12:04 pm
Let me explain to Glitterbag (and anyone else) the difference between civility, and partisan attacks.

Here are examples of how people can express themselves in a civil way:

- I believe that a woman should have the right to make decisions about her own body.
- I believe that life begins at conception and that abortion should be illegal because of this.
- I believe that abortion should be allowed in the first part of a pregnancy but that it should be restricted for late term pregnancies.
- I disagree with you about one thing, but I will work together on things we agree upon.

These are examples of incivility.

- People who disagree with me abortion me don't value life.
- People who disagree with me about abortion are part of a "war on women".
- People who disagree with me have daughters who turn into pretzels.

The difference between civility and incivility is whether you are discussing issues or attacking people. People disagree about issues, there should be nothing wrong with someone stating their opinion. This doesn't mean that they are bad people. There are all sorts of opinions, many people who disagree with you about abortion are your allies on other issues (even woman's issues).

neptuneblue
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 01:22 pm
@maxdancona,
The only one NOT being civil is you. Reiterating your point means you refuse to allow any body else's opinion to be valid. My views are just that, mine. You seem to think by jamming your opinion down pepole's throats makes yours better.

It doesn't. It cheepens this thread by not allowing any other view to be heard except yours.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 01:40 pm
@neptuneblue,
There is nothing wrong with me disagreeing with you. I think many of your points are invalid. I am saying so in a civil way. I am not attacking you personally. Some of your points are invalid in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with me saying so.

I am also not preventing you in any from posting in any way, you are as free to post and defend your opinions as I am.

Disagreement not an offense.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 01:49 pm
@neptuneblue,
I don't view max's repeating his ideas to be uncivil. This sort of thing happens on the internet quite often. It doesn't mean a lack of civility or necessarily indicate disrespect. If simply repeating one's self ad infinitum shows a person not being civil, well then, you yourself have fallen into this category.


While many times I disagree with max, it's rare to find him being truly disrespectful - as in name calling or hurling abusive language or using inappropriate words. Even his verbiage remains at an easy for all to comprehend level, without lowering to gobbledygook.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 01:54 pm
https://lifehacker.com/5872379/how-do-i-get-out-of-an-argument-with-an-irrational-person
How Do I Get Out of an Argument with an Irrational Person?



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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 01:58 pm
@Sturgis,
I view Max's tactics as bully pulpit nastiness.

Sturgis
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 02:07 pm
@neptuneblue,
I haven't had that experience with him. If it happens, he will know (as will just about everyone else on this site)
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 03:20 pm
@neptuneblue,
Other than the fact I disagree with you, and that I don't believe that many of your points are valid, what do you feel I have done that is nasty? You have expressed your opinions, I have expressed my opinions. I haven't attacked you or anyone else personally.

Civility isn't conformity. What seems to be important on this thread is whether someone has the right opinions, not whether they are making personal attacks.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 03:51 pm
@maxdancona,
Max, sometimes it feels like talking with you online is a lot like this picture.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hQBiOV06vps/maxresdefault.jpg

The woman in this picture could be 100% correct and using all factual points.

It doesn't make me want to speak with her.
It doesn't make me want to listen to her.
It's unlikely that I'll be persuaded to do anything.

Do you kinda get how that may be?


If you think I'm exaggerating what it's like to have a discussion with you online, well, maybe people can post whether or not they agree with me or if they think I'm wrong in how you can be perceived.

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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 06:03 pm
@maxdancona,
The continual conversation over abortion isn't something you can actually sway public opinion about. In fact YOU AGREE ABORTION SHOULD HAPPEN AS IT'S SAFE, LEGAL AND RARE. So, for all of your posturing about ONE aspect, you negate the REAL ISSUE, the attack on women's health. It seems you don't read any of the supporting articles or when you did, called it propaganda. Again, you side sweep any type of civil discourse, and go straight into how we, the posters on this thread, don't have the "right" opinions about abortion.

It's time you stop thinking on one plane and expand your thoughts into a wider spectrum on how to solve some of these issues.

The fact that insurance companies can effectively stop payment for women's services such as cervical cancer screenings and mammograms solely because those services are offered by an abortion provider escapes your attention.

The fact that States can and will allow a pharmacist to not fill a legally prescribed medicine escapes your attention.

The fact that millions of un- and under insured women have lost access to affordable healthcare escapes your attention.

The fact that employers are allowed to discriminate against women by withholding certain healthcare benefits from them escapes your attention.

The fact that men only commissions decide legislative policies about women's health issues escapes your attention.

These aren't propaganda issues. They're issues that affect almost every American woman, real live, tax paying, law abiding, voting citizens, whether or not they agree or disagree on abortion.





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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 06:42 pm
Women's health is so much more than reproductive health.

https://www.cdc.gov/women/lcod/2015/index.htm

http://theconversation.com/why-heart-disease-is-often-missed-in-women-the-myth-of-the-widowmaker-90530

Quote:

Heart disease is the No. 1 cause of death for women throughout the world. Approximately seven times more women will die from heart disease than breast cancer. Even in women with breast cancer, dying from heart disease is a leading cause of death.

Yet when I ask undergraduate students in my chronic disease class (most of whom are female) which disease causes the most deaths in women, only about half give the answer heart disease; a third say it is breast cancer.

This mirrors a 2012 survey from the United States, which found that only 56 per cent of female respondents identified heart disease as the leading cause of death.

Such a lack of awareness has very real consequences. Women who experience a heart attack in the U.S. are more likely to misunderstand the symptoms and delay seeking treatment. In Canada, early heart attack signs were missed in 78 per cent of women, according to the 2018 Heart Report from the Canadian Heart and Stroke Foundation.



http://www.heartandstroke.ca/what-we-do/media-centre/news-releases/2018-heart-report-news-release


we definitely need more focus on this

Quote:
While the glass ceiling for women’s heart health still exists, there are bright spots:

More organizations that fund research are requiring that sex and gender be considered in research proposals, and this understanding is growing among researchers themselves.

Researchers in Canada are at the forefront of new studies into heart conditions that predominantly affect women.

“Progress has been made recently, but not nearly fast enough to equitably protect women’s hearts,” says Savoie. “The challenge is to accelerate the pace of change, to gather new knowledge and translate it into better and safer heart health care for women.”

Heart & Stroke has committed to action in improving women’s heart health, including:

Requiring Heart & Stroke funded research to address sex and gender as appropriate, including clinical trial enrollment.

Creating focus and collaboration through establishing the Heart & Stroke Women’s Heart and Brain Health Research Network.

Engaging people with a passion for women’s heart and brain health, including women living with heart disease and stroke, to influence our research, programming and advocacy efforts.

“This report is not placing blame; rather, it calls for solutions through banding together – researchers, funders, health care workers, system leaders, governments and organizations like Heart & Stroke – to transform women`s heart health,” says Savoie.



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Knowledge about the natural history of coronary heart disease in women was limited until recent years. Few studies included women, despite the fact that heart disease is the No. 1 cause of death in women older than 50 years and the cause of about 500,000 deaths annually. Over the past decade, knowledge has increased owing to a combination of greater participation of women in medical studies, improved medical technology, and political pressure.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9487230

let's keep the pressure on
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 06:53 pm
@ehBeth,
and how are Republicans fitting into this?

https://ryortho.com/breaking/trump-administration-shutters-key-health-research-website/

http://aldianews.com/articles/politics/immigration/health-and-immigration-trumps-zero-funds-policy/53367

research into women's health was just catching up

now everyone's health is under attack
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 06:55 pm
@ehBeth,
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-pulse/2018/07/18/hhs-forced-to-choose-migrants-over-medicines-283013
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 07:13 pm
@ehBeth,
EhBeth, you are kind of going with a Republicans are bad theme... but then you are pointing out that woman's healthcare is more than abortion. I am not really sure where you are going with this.
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