Progressives (Liberals)

@Olivier5,

What it means is

1. I don’t follow a politician or political party like a brainless sheep. I know this seems anti-American—because everyone here with the exception of E — bows and scrapes for a tribal leader of a made-up party selected by oligarchs.

Not me.

2. Bernie championed the best people-centric policies ever to make it into a major candidate’s platform. I am loyal to those policies—not the man who championed them, although I respect his integrity more so than any person in public life other than Chris Hedges.

I was for POLICIES and I still am. I appreciate Bernie for showing us the way. I forgive him for dropping the ball. He wasn’t willing to be Nadered out of society. How can I judge him for not wanting to continue the constant unfair battering and probably be primaried out of his life’s passion?

Support of Biden flies in the face of policy-driven progressives. Biden is against
every policy I consider vital to survival.

You cult of personality tribalists just don’t get it. Hero worship if you like.

Not me.

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@oralloy,

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Progressives don't have any real reason for violating people's civil liberties.

No, but citizens have an interest in preventing deadly mass shootings — it's known as concern with "public safety". And protecting the lives of citizens from gun violence is a compelling government interest. You may object to the various restrictions being considered but many people were genuinely appalled by the nightclub attack, to say nothing of the school shootings. People demanded that something be done and since the gun-owners and gun manufacturers wouldn't step up with their own suggestions the job was left to people you call "progressives" and other concerned USAmericans.

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@Lash,

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You cult of personality tribalists just don’t get it. Hero worship if you like.
Not me.

What a preposterous presentation of yourself.

There were only two or three people contributing here who were utterly locked on to one candidate and one candidate only. Bernie or Bust was your motto.

Everyone else voiced preferences (which often changed) but none of us said it MUST be X or Y or Z. All of us have expressed reservations regarding our preferences and the final nominee, reservations of the sort that never marred your portrayal of Sanders.

And now you, of all people, are trying to suggest that you alone are the singular example of one free from hero worship, the only one capable of independence of mind.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

No, but citizens have an interest in preventing deadly mass shootings

Outlawing pistol grips has nothing to do with preventing mass shootings. So that's not the motive.

hightor wrote:

it's known as concern with "public safety".

Outlawing pistol grips has nothing to do with public safety. So that's not the motive either.

hightor wrote:

And protecting the lives of citizens from gun violence is a compelling government interest.

Outlawing pistol grips has nothing to do with protecting lives from gun violence, so there is no compelling government interest to justify such restrictions.

hightor wrote:

You may object to the various restrictions being considered but many people were genuinely appalled by the nightclub attack, to say nothing of the school shootings. People demanded that something be done and since the gun-owners and gun manufacturers wouldn't step up with their own suggestions the job was left to people you call "progressives" and other concerned USAmericans.

Outlawing pistol grips does nothing to reduce the number of massacres or their severity. So that's not the motive.

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@blatham,

For someone who loves to front a vocabulary that feigns intelligence, your level of self-awareness scrums down with the bottom feeders.

Bernie was THE ONLY CANDIDATE who consistently championed our policies. He was the ONLY CANDIDATE who had a long history of trustworthy integrity because he didn’t try to lie around popular policies to get misled votes—he introduced, explained and brought awareness to those policies, which then became the dominant narrative in this country. All the difference in the world.

When he began to support someone who we knew would never adopt those life-saving policies, we no longer supported him, meaning his suggestions to vote for a regressive racist Centrist are unheeded.

You and the gang, however, make fools of yourself, trying to insult people into voting BLUE. “Vote Blue No Matter Who”— the tribal chant of a stupid fawning self-destructive clowncar.

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@oralloy,

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Outlawing pistol grips has nothing to do with preventing mass shootings.

Some people actually believe it does, that pistol grips encourage inaccurate poorly-aimed shooting. So their motive is public safety. You disagree so why not just say that they're mistaken rather than imputing a pleasure motive?

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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You cult of personality tribalists just don’t get it. Hero worship if you like.
Not me.

What a preposterous presentation of yourself.

There were only two or three people contributing here who were utterly locked on to one candidate and one candidate only. Bernie or Bust was your motto.

Everyone else voiced preferences (which often changed) but none of us said it MUST be X or Y or Z. All of us have expressed reservations regarding our preferences and the final nominee, reservations of the sort that never marred your portrayal of Sanders.

And now you, of all people, are trying to suggest that you alone are the singular example of one free from hero worship, the only one capable of independence of mind.

You get a loud BINGO from me on this, Bernie.

And Lash's response to what you said seems to confirm everything you said.

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@blatham,

I know. First she say, "I don't follow personalities" and then she starts pumpng Bernie who is nothing if not a personality in the very next paragraph. I love Bernie but if he can't win the nomination, he sure can't win the election.

This election is most assuredly not about personalities (Trump's the biggest personality of all) and it isn't so much about ideology past Trump or not. Its about fixing the damage done and getting to a place where we can reform parties and add more voices to the mix - to both of the parties and changing the way elections are done to make third party challengers really mean something past "spoiling" a two party election. We need to make third parties viable and healthy.

If Lash and livinglava were sincere they'd get that and get on board.

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@oralloy,

Take that off-topic crap back to gun thread.

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Policies vs tribe

Policies are standards of life for people.
Your tribe has no standards. No character. No use for real people. Just a bunch of millionaires performing for mindless fans.

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@Lash,

Yes, you're a fair-weather Bernite. I said that already. It's your choice. Not mine.

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@Lash,

You do know Bernie is a millionaire, right? And that Joe isn't worth that amazingly much compared to say Moscow's Mitch.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2019/08/28/joe-bidens-net-worth-how-the-2020-presidential-candidate-built-a-9-million-fortune/#17ea7dba104d

https://www.aldvingomes.com/bernie-sanders-net-worth/
Bernie Sanders’s Net Worth 2020: A $2 Million Dollar Story.

Mitch McConnell Net Worth 2020: Age, Height, Weight, Wife, Kids, Bio-Wiki
Net Worth in 2020: $25 million

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@Olivier5,

I follow my policies wherever they go.

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@Lash,

A dangerous strategy. Ends do not justify means, and self immolation makes for an unappetizing BBQ,

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@bobsal u1553115,

I know that Bernie has almost 2 million as of March and Nancy pelosi has 120 million.

The difference isn’t only numerical.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

A dangerous strategy. Ends do not justify means, and self immolation makes for an unappetizing BBQ,

The ends are a just, rational society; the means are voting for policies I crave.
The ends justify the means.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

Some people actually believe it does, that pistol grips encourage inaccurate poorly-aimed shooting. So their motive is public safety.

I doubt that. If they were merely wrong then progressives would recognize that they are wrong when they are confronted with facts.

hightor wrote:

You disagree so why not just say that they're mistaken rather than imputing a pleasure motive?

I've tried that. I've made more posts explaining to progressives how they are mistaken on pistol grips than I have telling them that they violate civil liberties for sadistic pleasure.

Progressives just don't care about facts. Explaining to them that they are wrong is a waste of time.

Progressives are evil. The best way of responding to a progressive is to condemn their evilness.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Take that off-topic crap back to gun thread.

The fact that progressives are evil is entirely on-topic.

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@Lash,

https://moneyinc.com/nancy-pelosi-net-worth/

As of January of 2019, it is reported she has a net worth of approximately $120 million. This was something that shocked a lot of individuals, especially considering that there is a lot of frustration between the American people and career politicians, especially when it comes to the amount of money they make versus the income of an average American citizen. That being said, it’s important to note that most of her financial status doesn’t have anything to do with her role in politics. In reality, she and her husband made a great deal of that money before she ever even got involved in such things.

She's not running for POTUS, though she is up for re-election, as is Moscow's Mitch. Bernie's not running for office though he has endorsed Joe. Joe and Bernie are closer to each other than any pairing with the others.

If you are concerned with third party runs you'd best vote for Joe.

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@Lash,

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The ends justify the means.

Self immolation.

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