Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 04:32 am
The Georgie congressman and civil rights icon John Lewis is the latest in a string of elected officials to back the former vice president.
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Brand X
 
  3  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 06:24 am
Ryan Grim
@ryangrim
·
22m
Wisconsin poll worker says he refuses “to put our neighbors at risk,” won’t show up for work today. Can’t blame him.
Lash
 
  0  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 07:36 am
@Brand X,
There are a LOT of people who are quitting jobs they need because they are legitimately afraid for their lives. I eat little more than lettuce some days to avoid the public. It is mass negligent homicide.
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Brand X
 
  2  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 07:47 am
Steadman™
@AsteadWesley
· 1h
Lines forming just 30 minutes after polls open in Milwaukee, people trying to space. Almost everyone has a mask
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Brand X
 
  0  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 08:14 am
Nathan J Robinson
@NathanJRobinson
·
9m
I don't know if I can ever forgive Joe Biden for siding with Republicans on putting thousands of voters' lives in danger just because he thought it would allow him to wrap up the nomination a bit sooner.
Sturgis
 
  2  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 08:20 am
@Brand X,
I don't believe I'll ever be able to forgive Biden for those butt ugly hair plugs or the way his face has gotten so weirdly narrower the past few years.

Still I still must vote for him....unless Cleroy wine the nomination by the Dems.
maporsche
 
  3  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 08:24 am
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:

Nathan J Robinson
@NathanJRobinson
·
9m
I don't know if I can ever forgive Joe Biden for siding with Republicans on putting thousands of voters' lives in danger just because he thought it would allow him to wrap up the nomination a bit sooner.


Did Biden do this (ask Wisconsin to keep their primary today)?

I'm pretty sure also, that Biden knows, like most of the rest of us, that the nomination is wrapped up already.
maporsche
 
  2  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 08:26 am
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

I don't believe I'll ever be able to forgive Biden for...the way his face has gotten so weirdly narrower the past few years.


I think that's just aging Sturgis. I've seen many men get more and more gaunt as the aging process occurs.

Or did I miss the sarcasm (I could have; I don't catch it in text often)?
hightor
 
  6  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 08:34 am
@maporsche,
Quote:
Did Biden do this (ask Wisconsin to keep their primary today)?


I don't know why (Sanders supporter) Nathan J. Robinson is making this charge. Whether Biden did or didn't is immaterial. The problem is much bigger than that:

Quote:
The backstory is that in 2010, thanks to REDMAP the Republican Redistricting Majority Project I wrote about on Saturday, the Wisconsin legislature was controlled by Republicans. They worked to guarantee their control, gerrymandering the state so effectively in 2011 that in the 2012 elections, Republicans lost a majority of voters, but took 60% of the seats in the legislature. (They won only 48.6% of the votes, but took 61% of the seats.)

With this power, they promptly passed a strict voter-ID law that reduced black and Latino voting, resulting in 200,000 fewer voters in 2016 than had voted in 2012. (Remember, Wisconsin is a key battleground state, and Trump won it in 2016 by fewer than 23,000 votes.)

Now, there is a move afoot to purge about 240,000 more voters from the rolls, thanks to the old system called “voter caging.” The state sent letters to registered voters, largely in districts that voted Democratic in 2016, and those who did not respond to the letters have been removed from the voter rolls on the argument that the fact they didn't respond to the letters must mean they have moved. Initially, the purge was supposed to happen in 2021, after the election, but a conservative group sued to removed them earlier and a conservative state judge, Paul V. Malloy ordered it done. Malloy’s decision has been appealed to the Wisconsin state supreme court, which has deadlocked over the issue by a vote of 3-3.

On tomorrow’s ballot is a contest for a seat on that court. The Republicans desperately want to reelect their candidate, Justice Daniel Kelly, who recused himself from the voter purge vote pending the election. Trump has endorsed Kelly, who will uphold the purge if he is reelected. Before the pandemic, observers thought Kelly’s opponent had a good chance of unseating him because of expected high turnout among Democrats. But now, of course, all bets are off, especially since the Democratic strongholds in the state are in the cities, where the residents are hunkered down.

The election was originally scheduled for tomorrow, but the pandemic has gummed up the works. A stay-at-home order went into effect in the state on March 25, and more than a million voters have requested absentee ballots. But this huge surge means the state is running behind and hasn’t been able to deliver the ballots. Meanwhile, roughly 7000 poll workers, who are volunteers and often elderly, have said they would not come manage the election, so a large number of polls can’t open. The city of Milwaukee, whose 600,000 people normally would have 180 polling places, will have five. Milwaukee tends to vote Democratic.

Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers, a Democrat, tried to get the Republican-dominated legislature to postpone the election or to mail ballots to all voters for a May 26 election deadline, but it refused. Over the weekend, the mayors of Wisconsin’s ten biggest cities urged the state’s top health official, Andrea Palm, to “step up” and use her emergency powers to replace in-person voting with mail-in voting, as Ohio did when faced with a similar problem. On Monday, Evers signed an executive order postponing the election until June 9—something even he was unsure he had the power to do, but he said he felt he had to try to keep people safe-- but Republicans challenged the order and the Republican-dominated state Supreme Court blocked it.

Last Thursday, a federal judge permitted absentee ballots to be counted in the election so long as they arrived back to election officials by April 13, but Republicans immediately challenged the decision. Tonight, in a 5-4 decision, the US. Supreme Court refused to permit this extension of time for the state to receive absentee ballots, arguing (apparently without any self-awareness) that the federal judge made a mistake by changing the rules of an election so close to its date. This means that absentee ballots have to be postmarked tomorrow, even if the voter hasn't gotten one by then.

The court insisted that the issue in the decision was quite narrow, and had nothing to do with the larger question of the right to vote. The four dissenting justices cried foul.

Writing for the four other judges in dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg wrote that “the court’s order, I fear, will result in massive disenfranchisement.” “The majority of this Court declares that this case presents a “narrow, technical question”…. That is wrong. The question here is whether tens of thousands of Wisconsin citizens can vote safely in the midst of a pandemic. Under the District Court’s order, they would be able to do so. Even if they receive their absentee ballot in the days immediately following election day, they could return it. With the majority’s stay in place, that will not be possible. Either they will have to brave the polls, endangering their own and others’ safety, or they will lose their right to vote, through no fault of their own. That is a matter of utmost importance—to the constitutional rights of Wisconsin’s citizens, the integrity of the State’s election process, and in this most extraordinary time, the health of the Nation.”

The New York Times editorial board echoed Ginsburg, warning that what is happening in Wisconsin, where Republicans are trying to use the pandemic to steal an election, could happen nationally in 2020. This is why Democrats tried to get robust election funding in the $2.2 trillion coronavirus bill to bolster mail-in ballots, and why Trump said: “The things they had in there were crazy, they had things, levels of voting that if you ever agreed to, you would never have another Republican elected in this country again.”

This crisis in Wisconsin has national implications. The reelection of Kelly will likely mean Wisconsin loses another 240,000 voters, most of them Democrats. This will increase Trump's chances of winning the state in 2020, and Wisconsin is likely key to a victory in the Electoral College.

This is why I watch the minutia of politics so carefully. It's hard to imagine that the election of a state judge in Wisconsin matters to our nation of fifty states and 330 million people, but it does. Oh, boy, does it.

source
Sturgis
 
  4  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 08:34 am
@maporsche,
It was a mild case of sarcasm (I may have failed...or at least faltered).

As for the aging process, I can confidently state that I look exactly as I did in high school...

...and I am quite happy to not look in a mirror, which, might change my belief...
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Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 09:06 am
@maporsche,
Whether you're for Biden or for Bernie, he still could have publicly stated that in person voting isn't smart at his time and should be done another way. Biden said it's safe to do it, it clearly isn't.
maporsche
 
  3  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 09:13 am
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:

Whether you're for Biden or for Bernie, he still could have publicly stated that in person voting isn't smart at his time and should be done another way. Biden said it's safe to do it, it clearly isn't.


Joe Biden has said:

"The health and safety of our staff, supporters, and the general public is Biden for President’s number one priority. We encourage voters to take advantage of absentee ballots"
Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 09:21 am
@maporsche,
Yet people are lined up to vote, which is on them, but the option should have been eliminated. Nowhere in his statement does he propose in person voting option should be off the table. Pretty milquetoast statement from his team.
maporsche
 
  3  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 09:53 am
@Brand X,
Joe Biden does NOT control the Wisconsin voting process. It took Supreme Court until last night to decide on the final decision, a decision pushed by Republicans and a 5-4 decision by the conservatives on the USCOTUS. Democrats were against it and liberal memebers of the USCOTUS were against it. I didn't go scoring all of Joe Biden's statments to see if he said something stronger; it doesn't matter. It's not his decision. I don't recall you posting any links/quotes about Joe Biden saying "the show must go on, I need to lock up this primary."

This is NOT on Joe Biden. Joe Biden is leading Wisconsin by 30+ points and the primary race is over. This election has little to do with the Democratic primary at this point. There are other races going on tomorrow beside the Democratic primary. One of them a Wisconsin State Supreme Court seat, one that Republicans are INTENT on keeping at all costs. And some of those candidates are supposed to take office on 4/20. Republicans pushed for this primary to happen.

I mean, I get that you don't like Biden, but what would a Tweet or statement from him in this process have ACTUALLY done?

https://www.wpr.org/wisconsins-election-happening-after-state-supreme-court-blocks-evers
Brand X
 
  0  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 10:52 am
@maporsche,
He could have used the moment to show some leadership, to use his sway as a former vice pres to at least influence the decisions there. I will vote for him but he's been a complete disappointment the past few weeks.
Brand X
 
  0  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 10:55 am
This is what Biden says, but when it comes time to take a stand on it, he falls back.

Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
· 22h
We need a president who actually listens to the experts and heeds their advice.
maporsche
 
  3  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 11:41 am
@Brand X,
I think your take on this is completely wrong.

Did you read the article Hightor posted? Do you know anything else about the races going on in WI or the efforts taken to postpone and by whom?

I have immediate family there, voters over 60, and I live just 90 minutes from their border so I've been paying a lot of attention.

This has nothing to do with Biden. There is not one thing Biden could have done to sway the REPUBLICAN elected officials.
Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 12:01 pm
@maporsche,
Yes, I know that the Repub assholes blocked better council and disenfranchised the voters also in the process, still it doesn't excuse Biden for being derelict in message.

Polling places went from 180 to 5, oof. Nice. There was a late surge in requests for absentee ballots from voters, overwhelming the election apparatus. The voters were expecting to get extra time to get ballots and send them in because that's what they were told, but the Supreme Court killed that extension last Friday. Gerrymandered legislature to the rescue.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 01:01 pm
@Brand X,
Quote:
still it doesn't excuse Biden for being derelict in message.

Cheer up, being senile does.
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2020 01:21 pm
@coldjoint,
Yeah, we know. You really like Dementia Donny.
 

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