Progressives (Liberals)

YOU are missing the point. We are a CONSTITUTIONAL representative democracy. The Bill of Rights are the first ten amendments to the constitution.

"Mob rule" really just means "majority rule",

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You would be smart to confine yourself to making claims on topics you actually know something about.

You realize you are telling him he should not post.

moob rule

and, to repeat, majority rule is how we decide things, which according to you must mean we've been doing things by mob rule since the constitution was adopted by moob rule and all our laws were adopted by mob rule, right?

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

What is supposed to be my concern? First and foremost, the Good Cause, then God's cause, the cause of mankind, of truth, of freedom, of humanity, of justice; further, the cause of my people, my prince, my fatherland; finally, even the cause of Mind, and a thousand other causes...

All Things Are Nothing To Me. My concern is neither the divine nor the human, not the true, good, just, free, etc., but solely what is mine, and it is not a general one, but is -- unique, as I am unique. Nothing is more to me than myself!

Sacred things exist only for the egoist who does not acknowledge himself, the involuntary egoist [...] in short, for the egoist who would like not to be an egoist, and abases himself (combats his egoism), but at the same time abases himself only for the sake of being exalted and therefore of gratifying his egoism.

Because he would like to cease to be an egoist, he looks about in heaven and earth for higher beings to serve and sacrifice himself to; but, however much he shakes and disciplines himself, in the end he does all for his own sake [...]

[on] this account I call him the involuntary egoist. [...] As you are each instant, you are your own creature in this very 'creature' you do not wish to lose yourself, the creator. You are yourself a higher being than you are, and surpass yourself. [...] [J]ust this, as an involuntary egoist, you fail to recognize; and therefore the 'higher essence' is to you – an alien essence. [...] Alienness is a criterion of the "sacred".

Lincoln, in 1862, wrote:
If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.


To his credit, Lincoln was morally opposed to slavery, but that had nothing to do with his reasons for fighting the civil war. Furthermore, as noted above, he also did not believe that the races were equal or should be treated equally.

Max Stirner, was a German philosopher who is often seen as one of the forerunners of nihilism, existentialism, psychoanalytic theory, postmodernism, and individualist anarchism[6][7]. Stirner's main work, The Ego and Its Own, literally known as The Unique And Its Property, or, more colloquially, The Individual and His Property[8][9], was first published in 1845 in Leipzig and has since appeared in numerous editions and translations.


Stirner participated in discussions with a group of young philosophers called Die Freien (The Free Ones) and whom historians have subsequently categorized as the Young Hegelians. Some of the best known names in 19th century literature and philosophy were involved with this group, including Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Bruno Bauer and Arnold Ruge.

While some of the Young Hegelians were eager subscribers to Hegel's dialectical method and attempted to apply dialectical approaches to Hegel's conclusions, the left-wing members of the group broke with Hegel. Feuerbach and Bauer led this charge.

Frequently the debates would take place at Hippel's, a wine bar in Friedrichstraße, attended by among others Marx and Engels, who were both adherents of Feuerbach at the time.


The Ego and Its Own, which in part is a polemic against Feuerbach and Bauer, but also against communists such as Wilhelm Weitling and the anarchist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. He resigned from his teaching position in anticipation of controversy from this work's publication in October 1844.

Later, Marx and Engels wrote a major criticism of Stirner's work. The number of pages Marx and Engels devote to attacking Stirner in the unexpurgated text of The German Ideology exceeds the total of Stirner's written works.

Marx's lengthy ferocious polemic against Stirner has since been considered an important turning point in Marx's intellectual development from idealism to materialism.

It has been argued that historical materialism was Marx's method of reconciling communism with a Stirnerite rejection of morality.

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So, no moral obligations for other nations to intervene when 6 million Jews are systematically murdered?

You've avoided the question.

No, I just showed to you how it was mostly theoretical. you won’t find many examples in history of nations sacrificing blood and treasure just to help their neighbor.

If Sanders was elected, I would expect him to shy away from interventionism, yes. Out of wisdom, like Obama.