Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 03:03 am
Some top Sanders advisers urge him to consider withdrawing
By Sean Sullivan 
April 4, 2020 at 6:56 PM EDT

A small group of Bernie Sanders’s top aides and allies — including his campaign manager and his longtime strategist — have encouraged the independent senator from Vermont to consider withdrawing from the presidential race, according to two people with knowledge of the situation.

The group includes campaign manager Faiz Shakir and Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), a top Sanders surrogate and ally, according to the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive private discussions.

Sanders himself has become more open to the prospect of dropping out, according to one of the people with knowledge of the situation and another close ally, especially if he suffers a significant defeat in Tuesday’s Wisconsin primary, which polls suggest Joe Biden will win handily.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/some-top-sanders-advisers-urge-him-to-consider-withdrawing/2020/04/04/224d8164-767f-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 03:09 am
@McGentrix,
The thumb monkeys are not a problem. Rather they are a feature of this site. They are very easy to trigger, and that's kinda fun.
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 03:14 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
But, that's just a thing that is below Blatham's notice. He can't be bothered to look down upon the proletariat and see what they do.

What is he, or anyone else, supposed to do about the "thumb games" which apparently disturb you to no end. So your post gets a zero — what difference does it make? And there's no "proletariat" in evidence on a message board — do you really equate expressing an opinion with working for a living? Who's being exploited? Doesn't make sense.

And here, I gave you a thumbs up. It's meaningless.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 03:47 am
Quote:
But, that's just a thing that is below Blatham's notice. He can't be bothered to look down upon the proletariat and see what they do.

Oh no. I certainly look down upon the proletariat to see what they do. It's the upper classes' responsibility. Or if not that, such observations are at least a curiosity and a means of filling my time when I'm not flying off to Ireland on another fox hunt or seducing my stable-master's daughters.
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 03:49 am
But, getting back to the real world as lived by those in the 17th century
Quote:
Acyn Torabi
@Acyn
· 7h
Franklin Graham says people are dying of the Coronavirus because man has sinned against god. He goes on to say the pandemic is happening because the world has turned its back on god.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 04:18 am
@blatham,
It's always interesting to know what someone means when using the term "proletariat".
In German, which was Engels' and Marx' mother tongue, since the 19th century the less negative term "factory workers" was also used.
Later, in relation to the proletariat, the competing - though not congruent - terms were 'fourth class', the 'lower class' and the 'working class milieu'.
And from 1949 to 1990, we had had a German workers and peasant state ...

blatham
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 04:19 am
Quote:
Thor Benson
@thor_benson
10h
Me: *Wearing a mask*

Cashier: Good job staying safe. Strange times!

Me: Haha. Yeah. Empty the register.
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layman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 04:26 am
Yet another Burnie defector to Trump, eh?

Quote:
Joe Rogan would vote for President Trump over Joe Biden: 'I don’t think he can handle anything'

Rogan, who previously endorsed Biden’s primary rival Sen. Bernie Sanders, would apparently prefer President Trump to serve a second term than vote for Biden.

“I can’t vote for that guy,” Rogan said of the Democratic presidential primary front-runner. “I’d rather vote for Trump than him. I don’t think he can handle anything.”

“If you want to talk about an individual leader who can communicate, he can't do that,” Rogan said.

“The pressure of being the president of the United States is something that no one has ever prepared for,” he said. “The only one who seems to be fine with it is Trump, oddly enough.”


No one, not even Biden supporters, actually think Biden would make a better prez than Trump.

But the Dems lust for power is so great that they would willingly wreck the entire country to get it.
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 06:09 am
@layman,
Quote:
Of course as soon as it became apparent that Hitchens wasn't enamored of, and enthralled by, Michael Moore's propoganda, he was "cancelled" by the left.


Hitchins was already unpopular with opponents of the Iraq war for his support of the invasion a year previously. Nor did I ever hear anyone refer to the contrarian as "Hitch, the Snitch". After all a "snitch" is an informer so it wouldn't have made any sense. But you write as if "the left" is some vast monolithic organization where everyone is expected to adhere to some particular "line" under penalty of shunning and exile. Let me clue you in — there is no "the left". There is no grand radical ayatollah who makes pronouncements which must be studied and issues decrees which must be followed. Michael Moore is not some revered figure who can't be criticized. It may make it easier for you to compose your silly screeds if you espouse this misconception but it is not factual, making your conclusions unbelievable and your opinions flimsy and self-serving.

It's true that you can find common political sentiments expressed by liberal Democrats, self-styled progressives, and card-carrying socialists but, maybe you hadn't noticed, there is no shared praxis which is understood and accepted by everyone who might be considered part of "the left". Politics, as the art of the possible, requires workable solutions — which is why the revolution hasn't come.
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:35 am
Progressives!! Finally, we are growing several anti-neoliberal news outlets on YouTube.

Check out The Intercept’s entry into the market: #SystemUpdate featuring Glenn Greenwald

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layman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:39 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Nor did I ever hear anyone refer to the contrarian as "Hitch, the Snitch". After all a "snitch" is an informer so it wouldn't have made any sense.


Maybe you just don't hear so good, ever think of that?

Quote:
Hitch the Snitch

[A]s a Judas and a snitch, Hitchens has made the big time. He trotted along to Congress and swore out an affidavit that he and his wife, Carol Blue, had lunch with White House aide Sidney Blumenthal last March 19 and that Blumenthal had described Monica Lewinsky as a stalker.

Since Blumenthal had just claimed in his deposition to the House impeachment managers that he had no idea how this linking of the White House stalker stories had started, Hitchens’ affidavit was about as flat a statement as anyone could want that Blumenthal has perjured himself, thus exposing himself to a sentence of up to five years in prison.

Last spring,when it looked as though Blumenthal was going to be subpoenaed by prosecutor Starr for his journalistic contacts, Hitchens blared his readiness to stand shoulder to shoulder with his comrade: “…together we have soldiered against the neoconservative ratbags,” Hitchens wrote in The Nation last spring.

This brings us to Hitchens’ snitch psychology, and the years of psychic preparation that launched him into the affidavit against his friend Blumenthal. A good many years ago we were discussing the German Baader-Meinhof gang. “If one of them came to my front door seeking shelter,”Hitchens cried, “I would call the police in an instant and turn him in!”

Orwell, in the dawn days of the cold war and not long before his own death, compiled a snitch list of Commies and fellow travelers and turned them over to Cynthia Kirwan, a woman for whom he’d had the hots and who worked for the British secret police.

Orwell is Hitchens’ idol, and he lost no time in defending Orwell’s snitch list in Vanity Fair and The Nation.

Hitchens says he simply couldn’t let the Clinton White House get away with denials that they had been in the business of slandering women dangerous to them, like Monica, or Kathleen Willey.

Hitchens has always liked to have it both ways, identifying himself as a man of the left while, in fact being, as was his hero Orwell particularly towards the end of his life, a man of the right.

We think Hitchens has done something utterly despicable. Hitchens always could cobble up a moral posture out of the most unpromising material.


https://www.counterpunch.org/1999/06/15/hitch-the-snitch/

It's true the "snitch" tag had been widely applied to Hitchens prior to 9/11, but it became the currency of the leftist realm when took the side of western civilization against the ultimate heroes of the left, i.e., cutthroat radical muslims determined to destroy the west, like bin ladin.

If you refuse to take the side of criminals, lying misogynists, or terrorists, and say so publicly, you are a "snitch" to the left-wingers. You are a "judas" who has betrayed "the cause."
layman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 08:14 am
@layman,
Even long after his death Hitchens was reviled by the left for opposing radical islam

From "the Socialist Worker.org" in 2015:

Quote:
HITCH THE SNITCH

Christopher Hitchens came to mind. This is not usually a pleasurable experience. The last time I agreed with Mr. Hitchens, who passed away four years ago, was in 1998. That was before Hitchens "found his purpose," verbosely lusting for war with the Islamic world.

Hitchens took his argument to an indefensible place, a place that presaged his political future as someone who tied his skill with the written word to the needs of the American state. This earned Hitchens the nickname he carried in many circles until his death, ""Hitch the Snitch."


https://socialistworker.org/2015/01/29/football-and-hitch-the-snitch

If you use your verbal skills to defend "the American state," then you have earned the appelation of "snitch," eh? As any good commie (i.e., you) knows full well, America is nothing but a dumpster fire, eh?
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 08:21 am
@layman,
Quote:
Maybe you just don't hear so good, ever think of that?

Sort of hard to "hear" something communicated in writing. As I said, I never heard anyone refer to Hitchins that way. And the reason illustrates the point I was making about "the left". Counterpunch has made its reputation as being "lefter-than-left" and regularly criticizes liberals and anyone not deemed to be following its line — but not everyone on the left attends to it that carefully, nor does everyone on the left subscribe to the viewpoints and conclusions reached by the writers who are featured there. There's something pathetic anyway about trying to fit people into tidy little boxes labeled "left" or "right". Most people aren't that doctrinaire and would find no difficulty dismissing some ideas they might read on Counterpunch while accepting others. Hitchins, warts and all, remains a joy to read. Thanks for the link — I recall something of that controversy but I was never that interested drumming people out of some non-existent "movement" and had completely forgotten about it over the years. As you admit, it predates Fahrenheit 9/11

EDIT: And most people on "the left" ignore the Socialist Worker's Party as well. It's just a Trotskyist faction and only represents a small space on the leftist spectrum.
layman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 08:27 am
@hightor,
Quote:
As you admit, it predates Fahrenheit 9/11


See my last post. That author clearly ties the "snitch" tag to Hitchens' opposition to radical islam It was, of course, quite predictable that Hitchens would denounce Moore's film, long before it came out. That was already "apparent," as I originally put it.
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layman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 08:32 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Counterpunch has made its reputation as being "lefter-than-left" and regularly criticizes liberals and anyone not deemed to be following its line — but not everyone on the left attends to it that carefully...Most people aren't that doctrinaire and would find no difficulty dismissing some ideas they might read on Counterpunch while accepting others....And most people on "the left" ignore the Socialist Worker's Party as well. It's just a Trotskyist faction and only represents a small space on the leftist spectrum.


So you're trying to claim you're not really a hard-core commie, but more just a fellow-travelling pinko, that it?
layman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 09:02 am
@layman,
I bet Herbie Marcuse is another one of your sanctified heroes, eh?
layman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 09:14 am
@layman,
NYT Sept. 26, 2002
Quote:
This week's column by Christopher Hitchens in The Nation, a magazine of the political left, will be his last. His departure ends a 20-year relationship that has grown increasingly rancorous over the last few years.

Mr. Hitchens writes: ''When I began work for The Nation over two decades ago, Victor Navasky described the magazine as a debating ground between liberals and radicals, which was, I thought, well judged. In the past few weeks, though, I have come to realize that the magazine itself takes a side in this argument, and is becoming the voice and the echo chamber of those who truly believe that John Ashcroft is a greater menace than Osama bin Laden."


https://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/26/business/the-nation-and-a-longtime-columnist-are-parting-ways.html

After 20 years of dealing with the frauds, Hitchens finally concluded that the left's hysterical hatred of America wasn't for him.

Maybe you too will one day agree, and stop being such a damn commie, who knows?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 09:16 am
@layman,
Habermas called him a "Heidegger-Marxist".

But I sincerely doubt that hightor or anyone else here supports the utopia of an "empire of freedom" (Marx) as a socialist form of society like Marcuse did all his life.
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 09:23 am
@layman,
Quote:
I bet Herbie Marcuse is another one of your sanctified heroes, eh?

You lose. I never cared for him, even when he was in vogue.
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layman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 09:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Habermas called him a "Heidegger-Marxist".

But I sincerely doubt that hightor or anyone else here supports the utopia of an "empire of freedom" (Marx) as a socialist form of society like Marcuse did all his life.


Maybe, maybe not, Walt. But all the cheese-eaters here certainly adopt his doctrine of "repressive tolerance, " eh?

Quote:
The Left and ‘Discriminating Tolerance' The new cultural politics seeks to shut down debate and close minds.

With the rise of the new intolerance, American public life appears to be trying to exemplify Henry Adams’s claim that politics is “the systematic organization of hatreds.” A vast theoretical and rhetorical infrastructure supports contemporary rage chic.

If we hope to understand and eventually defuse the politics of polarized anger, looking to the intellectual sources of this anger is a key step. Herbert Marcuse — academic, political revolutionary, and psychological theorist — holds an important place in the genealogy of outrage culture.

He became one of the leading gurus of the New Left, the angry and at times violent Sixties radicals who were in many ways the progenitors of the current “progressive” power elite. Prominent New Leftists associated with Marcuse included the radical academic Angela Davis, and Michael Lerner, a former SDS member whose “politics of meaning” became a Hillary Clinton catchphrase during the Nineties. Marcuse’s students (and students of his students) can be found throughout American higher education today.

If the agents of the new intolerance ever get around to “deproblematizing,” as they would put it, Mount Rushmore, they might consider adding the visage of Herbert Marcuse to the crags of the Black Hills. Much of modern “political correctness” is really a New Left cultural politics that has made an uneasy peace with material prosperity.

A founding document of the new intolerance, Marcuse’s 50-year-old essay “Repressive Tolerance” levies a radical attack on the conventions of liberal democratic civilization. From Marcuse’s perspective, Western society as a whole is thoroughly corrupted. Marcuse argued that, because of the radical repressiveness of Western society, a tolerance for all viewpoints actually contributed to social oppression. Freedom of speech simply could not be tolerated.

Unlike many of his disciples, Marcuse was frank about what this intolerance would mean: ‘Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left.’


https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/06/herbert-marcuse-and-new-intolerance/

Marcuse has been widely hailed as the "father of the new left." He could just as easily be called the "father of political correctness." Well, I guess it's mainly just the same damn thing, eh?

Of course this was just a restatement of the commie doctrine which had been prevalent in Soviet Russia (of which Marcuse was a devoted student and admirer) from it's onset.

Speaking of Hillary, she wrote a dissertation prasing Saul Alinsky and his cynical "rules for radicals." But her devotion to it was eventually outweighed by her greed once she saw the vast opportunites that political power gave her to become filthy rsorry ich by selling her ass to any "capitalist" who came along. Not that she didn't fleece the likes of Russia and China, too, but none of it was out of commitment to any political ideology.
 

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