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@oralloy,

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I think it is because of progressive bias in the media.

Then provide evidence that his administration's response was late, ineffective, or deficient in some regard.

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“I never showed any symptoms at all," Jorgensen said. "I tested positive continuously throughout the whole process but never had any symptoms. I was tested because they considered me high risk because I’m a kidney transplant patient."

Jorgensen and his wife Jerri contracted the virus on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan. Jerri Jorgensen also claimed that she did not experience any symptoms of the coronavirus

Mark Jorgensen said that one night, Jerri felt a slight fever which eventually faded away: “By the next morning that was gone."

What good is this virus if you can't even make your wife sick with it, I ask ya?

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@blatham,

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A judge blocked Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine’s (R) request to delay Tuesday’s election until June 2 as the coronavirus outbreak shut down everyday life across America, expressing unease with the precedent such an 11-hour decision would set.

“There are too many factors to balance in this unchartered territory to say that we ought to take this away from the legislature and elected statewide officials, and throw it to a common pleas court judge in Columbus 12 hours before the election,” Franklin County Judge Richard Frye said, per the Columbus Dispatch.

Neither DeWine’s office nor that of Secretary of State Frank LaRose immediately confirmed or denied if LaRose would mount an appeal.,,

TPM

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@blatham,

I can't help thinking that anything which upsets the selection of a Democratic opponent to Trump and stalls any sense of "momentum" would be seen as a great little side benefit to postponement. As TPM points out, for all we know, the disease could be much worse by June.

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@blatham,

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Heath officials in Ohio have postponed the state’s primary vote just hours before polls were set to open, an 11th-hour decision that came after a judge denied the Governor’s request to postpone the vote because of the coronavirus.

Health director Amy Acton declared a health emergency that would prevent the polls from opening out of fear of exposing voters and volunteer poll workers, many of them elderly.

(NYT)

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@nimh,

Sorry, just saw this now.

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Not entirely sure what you mean with that first sentence

I wasn't sure but thought your "timing" phrasing might imply mere ambition.

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yes, I was very happy to see her post these tweets, which conveyed a much-needed message to those Bernie supporters who have been doing, well, the opposite.

That clarifies.

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I feel she gets it -- building a radical movement is still possible, and she is pointing the way how (and how to avoid the mistakes of the Bernie campaign). I hope she goes far.

Pressley is still my favourite Squad congress member though

Another good one. And heck, I'd say that even if she wasn't so striking in appearance.

And, as most folks here know, I'd be quite delighted to see congress comprised of females/males in proportions exactly opposite of what they now are.

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@hightor,

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As TPM points out, for all we know, the disease could be much worse by June.

It probably will be. They should do the rest of the primaries as absentee-only.

They should make preparations for the possibility of doing the general election as absentee-only as well, although there is a possibility that the pandemic will have passed at that point.

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@hightor,

Morally speaking, I think postponment is the right thing to do. People who fear exposure can vote absentee if the primaries are postponed.

Politically, consider that Biden's electorate tends to be older than Sanders', and that old people are probably the most likely to opt out a visit to the poll station right now. Biden's momentum could plummet if old folks don't vote in the primaries.

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If we’re gonna consider what’s morally right
Bernie should drop the hell out

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@snood,

And if Biden succumbs to COVID-19, then what?

‘A heir and a spare’.

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@Olivier5,

Weird, non sequitur hypothetical. Grasping and denying the obvious.

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@snood,

Non sequitur? We are talking of the interplay between the dem primaries and the virus. That candidates to the former may catch the latter is part of that equation. And that’s so obvious that even you should be able to grasp it.

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@hightor,

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any sense of "momentum" would be seen as a great little side benefit to postponement

Definite possibility. Politicians, bless their little hearts, are well aware of the power of momentum and the tendency of many voters to move where they see consensus heading. And as I've said before, movement conservative types were on the very edge of achieving goals many decades in the making before this virus hit. I have the feeling they won't greet such a stark reversal with equanimity.

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@Olivier5,

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Morally speaking, I think postponment is the right thing to do.

Definitely a fair argument. I've made it myself. But if done, it must be done in a manner which facilitates maximum voting as soon as possible via mail or some other viable system. If not, precedents can be set which totalitarian types can avail themselves of later. Like in November.

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@Olivier5,

Even me? When you insult my intelligence, what sort of reaction do you consider predictable?
It’s a non-sequitur in the context of the moral implications of whether Bernie should formally go on and drop out in order to maximize the possibility of defeating the existential threat to life that is 45.

There is no moral reason for Bernie to keep going at this point.

Unless of course, Biden gets Covid-19. Or steps in front of a train. Or chokes on a fish bone. All things by the way which have as much of a chance of happening to Bernie. Which illustrates why it’s nothing but a deflection from my point -

Bernie needs to drop the hell out.

I don’t think you even believe you have a good counter point to that; I just think you want to argue. Which is why you get ignored.

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@snood,

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Bernie needs to drop the hell out.

LOL! No he doesn't.

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@Olivier5,

If the nominee doesn't make it to the convention for any reason, the delegates will choose the candidate. That won't be fun, but the delegates were voted on and represent the party voters in the states.

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@oralloy,

What good purpose is served by Bernie continuing with his lost candidacy?

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Trump is proposing an $850 billion economic stimulus plan. I'm suspicious about his call to cut taxes, especially the payroll tax. These are usually rather inefficient ways to put money in people's pockets; Romney's cash payout plan would be more effective and would work more quickly. Unless the tax cuts are designed to be temporary with clear mechanisms for reinstatement as conditions allow, the result will be a further weakening of the Medicare, Social Security and other programs.

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@hightor,

And the bailouts to powerful financial interests like the cruise line companies rather than putting those huge funds towards mitigating the woes of individuals who will be effected drives me around the bend even knowing this is exactly what they'd do.

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