Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 07:17 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Isn't Bloody Sunday a song by U2?
Yes, about the Bogside Massacre (on Bloody Sunday.

But snood referred to the violent suppression of the March 7, 1965, civil rights march in Selma, Alabama. (Even someone with a low IQ as I have got this.)
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 07:21 am
@snood,
Quote:
You might’ve surprised yourself. One indelible lesson I took from my years in the Army was that I didn’t really know what I could do until I tried it. Most times I could do more, accomplish more, endure more than I had estimated.

I usually surprise myself downward. I entered this world trailing clouds of glory and now what commonly trails behind me would be grounds for divorce in at least a half dozen cultures.
0 Replies
 
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 07:24 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Either that or [Trump] simply to sow confusion and discord. Either is effective. It's like the Russian election interference.

I think you're on to something there.
0 Replies
 
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 07:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
(I still can do it like an elf!)

I can't say that any longer.
0 Replies
 
blatham
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 07:28 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
All it took was 2 Sanders primary victories, and now "he's running against the Democratic Party"... Sad, really.

That's been a key component of his brand since the beginning.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 07:38 am
One quick point on Buttigieg. It really is an amazing cultural shift where an openly gay man ran for the presidency and yet his sexuality gained really so little complaint. Certainly this was partly as a consequence of his humor, intelligence and engaging personality but still. It is really represents an advance in the ethos of inclusion and the rejection of bigotry. A happy thing.
revelette3
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 07:43 am
@hightor,
A majority of the Democrat party is the Democratic establishment. So when Bernie talks about the Democratic establishment he is talking about the majority of the Democrat party. Bernie's democrats are carpetbagging, Johnny came lately Democrats.

Having said that if Bernie should win under the label of Democrat, of course, we will vote for him.

(Agreeing with you to Oliver's post you are replying to.)
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 07:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Even someone with a low IQ as I have got this.

I don't think you have a low IQ. I would guess that you are smarter than average.
0 Replies
 
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 07:53 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Out-of-context quotes dating from 2015 are worth nothing.

His supporters have been talking up his consistency, Olivier, saying he's held the same positions for 50 years.
Quote:
They just show you still resent him from 2016 and can't evolve.

No, they don't show that I "still" resent him (a cheap rhetorical trick — are you "still" a card-carrying Commie?), they just show that he doesn't care if his candidacy weakens the Democratic Party because he thinks his movement will replace it. Leave evolution out of it — revolution's his game.
snood
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 08:51 am
@revelette3,
Rev, every time you call the Democratic Party the ‘Democrat’ Party, you make a subtle concession to the same right wing crazies who set about to make ‘Liberal’ a dirty word.
We are not the Democrat party, any more than they are the Republic party.

It may seem a small thing, but they regularly try to make these subtle changes in the lexicon. And it isn’t meant to flatter.
georgeob1
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 08:52 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

[... But I think he has shifted his criticism to the "Democratic establishment", which is basically signaling an intended takeover of the party. He can do this by carrying out his threat to ban corporate contributions — which looks "progressive" but actually weakens the ability of the DNC to coordinate and support candidates around the country. Personally, I don't think corporate donations and SuperPACs are necessarily undemocratic — if they are transparent.

Do you believe "superdelegates" with 2 votes/capita are Democratic?
revelette3
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 08:53 am
@snood,
sorry, I often get things like that wrong. Not trying to concede anything. I didn't know there was anything wrong with the word "democrat party."
snood
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 08:55 am
@revelette3,
I’m sure you have no ill intent.

But believe that the other side misses no chances to denigrate, and they know what they’re doing when they refuse to call our party by its proper name.

Just listen to them talk, when you get the chance. If they are not using “Democrat” party as a subtle diminution, then why will none of them accept correction when it’s pointed out?
snood
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 09:03 am
Fighting over Bernie is certainly not worth breaking up Public Enemy over


https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/public-enemy-flavor-flav-bernie-sanders-960272/
georgeob1
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 09:05 am
@snood,
Nonsense, the issue is grammatical. "Democratic" is an adjective: "Democrat" is a noun.
revelette3
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 09:12 am
@snood,
Looked it up, you get a partisan answer when you click on Wikipedia but I found a Quora question and answer on Fact-Check in 2007 which speaks to what you are talking about. Sometimes, I just miss these things. Not sure why.

https://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/the-democratic-or-democrat-party/
snood
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 09:17 am
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:

Looked it up, you get a partisan answer when you click on Wikipedia but I found a Quora question and answer on Fact-Check in 2007 which speaks to what you are talking about. Sometimes, I just miss these things. Not sure why.

https://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/the-democratic-or-democrat-party/


Thanks, Rev. That’s helpful. They know what they’re doing when they insist on using ‘Democrat’ party, even when asked not to - and it sure ain’t to maintain grammatical purity.
0 Replies
 
revelette3
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 09:21 am
@snood,
I actually read the headlines but didn't check it out because I don't know who any of them are.

So Public enemy is going to do the concert without Flavor Fav at Sander's livestreamed gig. Will the firing hurt the band or matter at the concert, do you think? It is a shame to fire someone who objected to using his brand without his permission when he wasn't endorsing anybody.

Link the Cease and Dissit letter.

https://www.scribd.com/document/449533847/Flavor-Flav-cease-and-desist-to-Bernie-Sanders?campaign=SkimbitLtd&ad_group=87443X1590823X058212d36b271ce18e5a0c0f4124ea9c&keyword=660149026&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliate
0 Replies
 
hightor
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 09:40 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Do you believe "superdelegates" with 2 votes/capita are Democratic?

Yes, as they're the stated policy of the Democratic Party I wouldn't call them "Republican".

Now are they democratic? No, if you were talking about a simple election held under a "one citizen-one vote" understanding. But organizations should be allowed to conduct their internal affairs according to their own rules. The USA itself can be looked at as an organization and many of the features of our electoral process are "undemocratic" — the Senate, the Electoral College, apportionment — but we all understand these rules and manage to work within them. The primary process is designed to determine who the best-qualified candidate is. Here's how superdelegates break down:
Quote:
1. Elected members of the Democratic National Committee: "the chairs and vice chairs of each state and territorial Democratic Party; 212 national committeemen and committeewomen elected to represent their states; top officials of the DNC itself and several of its auxiliary groups (such as the Democratic Attorneys General Association, the National Federation of Democratic Women and the Young Democrats of America); and 75 at-large members who are nominated by the party chairman and chosen by the full DNC." Most of the at-large members "are local party leaders, officeholders and donors or representatives of important Democratic constituencies, such as organized labor." There were 437 DNC members (with 433 votes) who were superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.
2. Democratic Governors (including territorial governors and the Mayor of the District of Columbia). There were 21 Democratic Governors who were superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.
3. Democratic Members of Congress. There were 191 U.S. Representatives (including non-voting delegates from Washington, D.C. and territories) and 47 U.S. Senators (including Washington, D.C. shadow senators) who were superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.
4. Distinguished party leaders (consisting of current and former Presidents, Vice Presidents, congressional leaders, and DNC chairs). There were 20 of these who were superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.

I believe that superdelegates, because of their experience and stature, can play a constructive role in the nominating process and that they have the a role not unlike that envisioned for the Electoral College, as representatives who are a step removed from the more rough-and-tumble situation that sometimes occurs in the public arena. "Pure", "absolute" democracy isn't a feature of our political system. For good reason.
0 Replies
 
hightor
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 09:44 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Nonsense, the issue is grammatical.

Nonsense. It's the name of an organization — revelette's link should help you see why the misuse of the name is objectionable.

And here Russell Baker, in the NY Times,Sept. 5, 1976

Quote:
I am feeling well disposed to the Republican Party this week, which may indicate either an acute attack of summer euphoria or advanced arteriosclerosis, although I prefer to ascribe it to a sensible terror of having Washington occupied exclusively by Democrats. Whatever the case, this passing twinge of good will prompts a small suggestion for their conduct of the campaign, a suggestion which they will doubtless resent.

Since the middle of the 1950's, they have been running persistently against “the Democrat Party.” It is time to forget it, yet throughout their convention last month, they kept hacking away at “the Democrat Party” with a zeal that was dispiriting to witness.

The origin of this illiterate phrase goes back, I believe. to the era of Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. At some point in the 1950's, I recall a suggestion sheet being circulated to Republican campaign orators, which urged them to abjure the use of “Democratic Party” in favor of “the Democrat Party.” This was a time when words and phrases were first having magical psychological powers ascribed to them in a systematic way by marketing students, and the theory was that “Democrat Party” was a whiz‐bang that could blow the Democratic Party right out of the (trenches.

Part of the theory was that it would somehow lift the cloud from the public mind and reveal that, despite its name, the Democratic Party was not a democratic instrument. Moreover, “Democrat Party” sounded peculiar —only a tin ear can hear it ‘without a wince of pain—and might make the Democratic Party an object of ridicule. Finally, it was thought to be a phrase which so maddened Democrats that it would send them climbing walls and, presumably, distract their energies from the business of getting elected.

If all this sounds silly now, it is a happy indication that we have progressed slightly in 20 years, but at the time this sort of psychological mumbo jumbo about the language was taken very seriously. It was, after all, a time when automobiles were sold as sex symbols.

Ford, of course, folded the Edsel after its sexually suggestive radiator grill failed to produce results. “The Democrat Party” obviously succeeded no better. When it was first unleashed, the Republicans held the White House and a standoff in Congress. Alter a generation of being used on the Democrats, it is hack again this year against the Congress that has become perpetually Democratic and a Carter who looks unbeatable.

The chief trouble with “the Democrat Party” is that it makes the Republicans saying it sound both illiterate and coy, and so is like a shotgun that is all kick and no fire. I suspect the old‐timers like Barry Goldwater still believe It drives Democrats wild.

If so, this is the most persuasive argument for abandoning it. A party whose membership is down to 22 percent of the electorate, as the Republican Party is, hardly needs ways to irritate voters from the opposing party whom it must seduce if it is to succeed.

This is idiocy of the sort once mythically ascribed to the Marine garrison on Wake Island, when, surrounded by the Japanese fleet and about to be overrun, they were said to have been asked if there was anything they needed and to have replied, “Yes—send us more Japs.”

It is time to retire “the Democrat Party” to the Republican hall of fame. If Republicans refuse, as they probably will, voters will have to defend themselves by speaking only in the England language, a Republican corruption of English in which all adjectives are turned into nouns.

Then perhaps members of the Republic Party will cheer and happiness tears will dampen their rose cheeks. (Some have ash cheeks, which result from years of ending up on the defeat side of elections), and the joy tears they shed will make for an emotion scene that will be a movement sight to friends of the grandness, oldness party,

Is this all the Republicans have to offer the country? What a dumbness idea.
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.11 seconds on 07/13/2025 at 08:57:22