georgeob1
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 10:04 am
@hightor,
Still nonsense. Check the history of the terms and the grammar.
snood
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 10:23 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Still nonsense. Check the history of the terms and the grammar.


You almost have to respect a guy who doesn’t let being wrong get in his way.
Almost.
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hightor
 
  3  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 10:25 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Check the history of the terms and the grammar.

I did.

The misuse of the name is useful as it helps to identify biased partisans and separate them from the ranks of those who are objective, or at least respectful, in online discussions of political affairs.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 10:40 am
@blatham,
That’s Trumplang. People are not brands and they shouldn’t be branded.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 10:56 am
@hightor,
He’s held the same policy positions for decades but his political tactics and alliances have changed. FYI in 2020 he is running in the democratic primaries as a democrat.
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 11:02 am
@Olivier5,

Quote:
FYI in 2020 he is running in the democratic primaries as a democrat.

Yeah, because he never did anything to establish a democratic socialist party, realizing that he'd secured a safe seat and could simply become a professional politician.

A "Democrat" who wants to weaken the party by limiting its funding to individual donations while the GOP is awash in corporate dollars — so pure.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 11:13 am
@hightor,
A democrat with whom you happen to have a number of political disagreements, and let’s leave it at that. Don’t question his motives — it’s aggravating and you can’t prove it anyway. If you allow petty hatreds to dominate your mind and words when talking about your own side, what’s the point of choosing a side? What’s the point of these primaries, if at the end of them the left goes into battle disoriented, depressed and divided?
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Brand X
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 11:42 am
Bill Kristol
@BillKristol
· 15h
If you think we deserve better than choosing this fall between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, there’s really only one viable alternative this Tuesday: Joe Biden.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 11:47 am
@Brand X,
Quote:
there’s really only one viable alternative this Tuesday: Joe Biden.

It does not matter that he is undoubtedly showing signs of dementia, vote for him anyway.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 11:55 am
@Brand X,
Biden isn't viable. No one gets the nomination without coming first or second in New Hampshire.

Perhaps Bloomberg has a way around that rule. Biden does not.
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Region Philbis
 
  3  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 12:44 pm

stick a fork in Klobuchar...
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Brand X
 
  3  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 12:44 pm
Klobuchar has dropped out and is endorsing Biden.
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engineer
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 01:59 pm
Interesting take from fivethirtyeight.com

Voters Who’ll Support Biden — But Not Sanders — Probably Really Do Mean It

Quote:
Asking respondents about their general election preferences this far in advance isn’t totally meaningless, though. Using our panel data, we found that the candidate respondents told us they’d back during the primaries has often matched whom they backed later in the general election. Consider 2008: Thirteen percent who answered our survey during the later half of the primaries said they would back Hillary Clinton but not Barack Obama in the general. Many meant it: When we asked again about who they supported in the fall of 2008, 33.5 percent of those respondents said they backed Sen. John McCain and another 28.2 percent backed neither major-party candidate.

Likewise, in January 2016, those who said they would back Sen. Marco Rubio but not Trump in the general (11 percent) remained wary of Trump. In October 2016, 25.5 percent told us they now backed Clinton while another 48.2 percent said they remained uncommitted, wouldn’t vote, or backed a third-party candidate.

So simply put, there’s reason to believe that when 8 percent of panelists tell us they’ll only back Biden and not Sanders — or 3 percent, in the case of voters who said they’d only back Sanders and not Biden — many of them mean it, and their minds won’t necessarily change months later.
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engineer
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 02:06 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

... but his political tactics and alliances have changed.

Does it bother you at all that his "political tactics" have made him one of the most ineffective politicians Congress has ever know and that he has almost no alliances to speak of? Who is going to help him move his proposals in Congress? Warren who Sanders called a liar on national TV? Sanders even rejected AOC's comments that worst case, she could compromise. That's been Sanders' hallmark approach, absolutely no compromise, and that's not going to get anything passed.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 02:19 pm
@engineer,
I would think that he has been to a degree ostracized in the Senate but that he will be in a better position to forge alliances while in the White House.
engineer
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 02:24 pm
@Olivier5,
Why do you think that was? I mean every vote is important and in a closely divided Senate, Sanders would be able to trade his votes to either party for things he felt were valuable, even if he were not particularly popular.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 02:35 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

Why do you think that was? I mean every vote is important and in a closely divided Senate, Sanders would be able to trade his votes to either party for things he felt were valuable, even if he were not particularly popular.

I don't think he's very good at trading his votes, indeed. He tends to vote in conscience, with the occasional calculation.
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snood
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 03:19 pm
This is really interesting to me now. I’ve been a Warren person since fairly early on. Now Klobuchar and Buttigieg have thrown their support to Biden, who’s my second choice since Kamala dropped out.
Warren talks like she’s going to stick around until the last gasp.
I’m going to vote for Liz Warren in the NC primary tomorrow, and then just sit back and hope for the best.
I will support whoever wins the nomination.
Lash
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 03:20 pm
@hightor,
I don’t see the Rs attacking anybody. So, you’re wrong about cause and effect.
Lash
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 03:21 pm
@hightor,
As someone who is not well-off, I can pretty easily let go of $27. a month. So can 8.2 million of my like-minded associates.

You—wrong again.
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