snood
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2020 10:23 pm
@Lash,
Certainly his prerogative. Needs to drum up support for the groups he thinks he needs most. Understandable.

But this was Selma.

Everyone else was there. Even Bloomberg. Even Buttigieg, knowing he was dropping out.

It was a show of respect for probably the most important modern landmark and memorial to black peoples’ fight for equality in this country.

I hope Bernie understands if the black community takes it personally.
I hope that him and his supporters don’t take the offense black people feel, and twist it into some other conspiracy of the DNC against Bernie.

Because this stung.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2020 10:52 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Because this stung.

It should be stinging, Democrats never did anything for you anyway, why should socialists?
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2020 11:04 pm
@georgeob1,
On the ships I've been on, the reveille was done "manually", just with the whistle, by the petty officer on duty. (I still can do it like an elf!)
Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 12:44 am
@hightor,
Quote:
the Sanders camp is running against the Democratic Party itself

Remember "vote blue no matter who?" These wise words seem so far away right now. All it took was 2 Sanders primary victories, and now "he's running against the Democratic Party"... Sad, really.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 03:21 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
Buttigieg told Abby Phillips of CNN that he was motivated to drop out now because he didn't want to be one reason Sanders got an insurmountable lead.

That was rather counterproductive if this was his goal. The nominee is always one of the top two in New Hampshire. Buttigieg was the only other person who was in the top two in New Hampshire.
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 03:22 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
When we're asked for verification, we try to provide it if we haven't already. You're an exception (outside of the dipshits I have on ignore) in that you almost never do.

Your post is pretty dishonorable even by your very low standards. Those of us who you place on ignore very much back up our arguments.

That's why you put us on ignore. You are not capable of countering our facts.

The only response to our facts that you can come up with is the sort of name-calling that you just exhibited here.

If he started providing links to prove you wrong like you are asking him to do, you'd very quickly resort to name-calling and then put him on ignore too. It's the only response that you are capable of.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 03:23 am
@ehBeth,
@redistrict wrote:
Buttigieg's withdrawal might help Biden in two ways:

1) Biden will inherit more of his voters than Sanders
2) Warren - who shares a demographically similar support base - could become 15% viable in a lot of places, limiting Sanders's haul in places he might otherwise romp

Except, the nominee is always one of the top two from New Hampshire.

And Buttigieg was the only other person in the top two in New Hampshire.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 04:18 am
@coldjoint,
Gee, you two are real good at faking outrage.
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Lash
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 04:30 am
@snood,
I think the answer is in your post. Everybody was there. Bloomberg was there, with his paid amelioration Stacey Abrams, sitting up in a black church where he should have ignited into flames when he crossed the threshold.

A lot if lying racists were there because they were expected to be there.

Bernie has centered his life around being part of the actual solution to the problems of the black community while everyone else shows up for photo ops.

What real solutions have been offered by the showing up to commemorate events? None. It was a sideshow of liars and opportunists in my opinion.

Anyway. I guess you shared your opinion about it, and I shared mine.

Edit—btw John Lewis talked rudely about Bernie—saying Bernie wasn’t at Civil Rights events. I don’t care what you think about John Lewis—it was wrong. Why should Bernie ever go? He’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Btw there are pictures of a young nobody named Bernie Sanders at these events. It was a low thing to say.
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hightor
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 04:55 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
All it took was 2 Sanders primary victories, and now "he's running against the Democratic Party"... Sad, really.

He's said as much. As have some of his supporters on this site.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 05:24 am
@hightor,
Quote:
He's said as much.

You have a source?
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 05:30 am
#PeteToBernie is trending #1

I won’t count my chickens too early, but it looks good. We’re welcoming a lot of Pete’s people.
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 05:32 am
@Olivier5,
Bernie and we admit we’re being attacked more vociferously by the Dem establishment at this point than the R. Surely you’ve seen the disgusting attacks? They’re pulling every string possible to blunt Bernie’s support. They aren’t even trying to hide it now.
hightor
 
  4  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 06:14 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
“You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.”

“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”

“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?"


These were referenced in an article from 2015 and while many of his supporters are still saying similar things I believe Sanders himself is too circumspect to have said anything like that during this campaign cycle. But I think he has shifted his criticism to the "Democratic establishment", which is basically signaling an intended takeover of the party. He can do this by carrying out his threat to ban corporate contributions — which looks "progressive" but actually weakens the ability of the DNC to coordinate and support candidates around the country. Personally, I don't think corporate donations and SuperPACs are necessarily undemocratic — if they are transparent. Relying on individuals to make $27 contributions again and again begins to mean relying on a relatively well-off portion of the electorate and led to over 600 pages of FEC campaign violations in 2016. As I've said before, Olivier, I'll vote for him in November, but as the alternative to Trump not as a Democrat. And if down-ballot races go badly for Democrats I'll place the blame on Sanders.
hightor
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 06:32 am
Quote:
Bernie and we admit we’re being attacked more vociferously by the Dem establishment at this point than the R.

Duh...that's because the "R." would like to see Sanders as the nominee.
Setanta
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 06:46 am
@hightor,
I like the use of the verb "admit." Perhaps she meant to write "allege," and just got confused.
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Setanta
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 06:52 am
Of course, Sanders displays his characteristic ignorance in promising to ban corporate campaign cotnributions. Someone should send him a copy of the decision by the Supremes in 2010 in the Citizens United case.
snood
 
  5  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 06:57 am
@Lash,
Just for the record, John Lewis’ name shouldn’t even get sullied by mentions from anyone supporting Bernie. He “talked nasty “ about Bernie, huh?

Bernie’s “damned”whether he do or don’t, huh?

My god, for someone that’s supposed to be so goshalmighty principal-driven, that shouldn’t really interfere in the decision making process about the right thing to do, should it? It should be a no-brainer for someone who’s so “down” with the plight of black people to show his damn face at the anniversary of Bloody Sunday, shouldn’t it?


Let me help you out here...
The move for Bernie and his followers in the wake of his snub of Selma would be this:
1. admit you fucked up and apologize
2. STFU about it

Not that anyone expects anything like that out of Bernie’s camp, and especially not from the likes of you.

True to form, you’ve already twisted what is a wholly justified complaint about Selma getting ignored by Bernie into some feverish whine about how Bernie is being done wrong by the establishment again.

Also just for the record, if Mayor Pete’s voters care anything at all about what Mayor Pete wants to happen now, they sure ain’t going to Bernie.

That was:
1. admit the ****-up
2. STFU
oralloy
 
  -3  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 07:09 am
@snood,
I'm not even sure what you're upset about. Isn't Bloody Sunday a song by U2?
Olivier5
 
  0  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2020 07:16 am
@hightor,
Out-of-context quotes dating from 2015 are worth nothing. They just show you still resent him from 2016 and can't evolve.
 

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