hightor
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 02:36 pm
@blatham,
As with climate change, the spores of political and social decay have been in place for some time. The fungal network has spread globally; the fruiting toadstools — Trump, BoJo, Erdoğan, Balsonaro — pop up here and there, their toxicity widely recognized, but the underlying mycelium, nourishing the subterranean rot, largely escapes notice.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 02:50 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Nearly every President since Roosevelt has done the same.
You pulled that out of your ass, george. But look, you could convince us that you actually know what you're talking about by listing the persons in government that Obama tossed out for insufficient loyalty to him personally or for being Republicans or for criticizing his polices. And you could really do a bang up job if you pointed to some cadre of liberal purists who fed Obama those names. You'd want to do better than toss off a name or two and establish a broad pattern such as we are watching right now.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 02:55 pm
@hightor,
This is something I can't speak to with any authority. I'm well versed in the history of the conservative movement in the US but I really don't have to means to spot a broader pattern worldwide or how it has come about. Perhaps you're speaking of the decline of national sovereignty as a consequence of cross-national economic regimes (Isaiah Berlin) wrote about that ten or more years ago.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 03:02 pm
@blatham,
My reference was not to purges, but rather to early and continued action by Presidents to fill senior political appointee second & third tier positions in Federal Agencies and their White House staffs with their own appointees. Unfortunately I failed to make the distinction clear in my response.


Nearly every President since Roosevelt has indeed done that.
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 03:04 pm
@revelette3,
Obama, at least I heard, created a grassroots coalition to get him in the WH, but he dropped it once he got elected.

You’re about to see the difference it would have made if he’d kept working with them.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 03:24 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

As with climate change, the spores of political and social decay have been in place for some time. The fungal network has spread globally; the fruiting toadstools — Trump, BoJo, Erdoğan, Balsonaro — pop up here and there, their toxicity widely recognized, but the underlying mycelium, nourishing the subterranean rot, largely escapes notice.


A remarkably metaphor-laden statement. The election and continued popularity of conservative governments in nations ranging from the U.S. to Turkey, Hungary and Brazil is more likely indicative of the continuing shifting and cycles of political preferences in (largely) democratic governments. Moreover, in each of the examples you listed there are important , observable factors unique to the nations involved and the challenges they face. There is nothing really new in all of this, unless you assume that some imagined march towards uniform Progressivism is the continuing norm for the world. This has never been the case and it certainly is not now.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 03:28 pm
@georgeob1,
Well that's not the issue. The issue is the purges that have been on-going with Trump and are now going even further, broader and deeper. This is not normal or even close to being so. Nothing remotely similar happened under Obama. The closest prior instance I know of was the purging of those who weren't deemed "loyal Bushies"
Quote:
Kyle Sampson acknowledges he drew up the plans to fire eight federal prosecutors but says he had a lot of help -- including from his former boss, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

In testimony Thursday, Sampson described getting two years’ worth of input from across the Justice Department and the White House over how to purge the U.S. attorneys who were no longer viewed as “loyal Bushies.”

His testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee disputed earlier statements by Gonzales, who has claimed that he had little to do with the firings and wasn’t involved in selecting those who would be told to resign
HERE
And that was a scandal even with a mere 8 individuals removed in one department. That department, of course, was Justice which made the matter acutely serious.

Compared to what's going on now, it was relatively benign.
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 03:43 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
There is nothing really new in all of this, unless you assume that some imagined march towards uniform Progressivism is the continuing norm for the world.

Just the opposite.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 03:44 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
And that was a scandal even with a mere 8 individuals removed in one department. That department, of course, was Justice which made the matter acutely serious.

Bill Clinton fired a lot more federal prosecutors than Bush did, and for even less reason.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 03:51 pm
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:
He could impose capitalist Enron style rolling blackouts.

The voters will not stand for rolling blackouts. The Democrats would be decisively wiped out in the midterms if he did that (presuming of course that he is even elected).

Rolling blackouts are the socialist solution to a limited power supply. The capitalist solution would be to raise power rates so that poorer people could no longer afford to use electricity.

Of course, a decent capitalist would also ensure that we were generating enough electricity to meet demand to begin with.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 03:52 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
I am pretty sure I know how it will go, the same way it went with Obama's policy proposals. Or it could be even going worse, depending on the status of how many seats we have in each house.

Mr. Obama's efforts at compromise failed because Mr. Obama gave in to leftist extremists and undermined the deals that he struck with Republicans.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 03:54 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Bill Clinton fired a lot more federal prosecutors than Bush did, and for even less reason

There is no reason to take anything Blatham says at face value. He is as dishonest as the day is long.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 04:00 pm
@blatham,
That may be your issue, but it's not mine. As I outlined earlier, Trump is late at getting his own political appointees in both the NSC, White House staff and the senior echelons of the many Agencies comprising the Federal Bureaucracy. What he is doing now is merely what his predecessors did immediately after they took office and continued afterwards as necessary. In Trump's case any needed action on his part is deceptively labelled by you and his domestic opponents as a "purge" or something like that. Instead it is simply the assignment of managers supportive of hs goals to the senior levels of government. There is nothing new or unusual in that except the fact that Trump is late in getting started.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 04:01 pm
It just dawned on me that I cannot recall hearing a peep from the Chamber of Commerce for perhaps two years or longer. Has anyone?
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 04:11 pm
By the by, some of you might not have been attending to Ginni Thomas over the last decade or more. Here's a taste:
Quote:
Thomas has stirred controversy due to her inflammatory political rhetoric and promotion of conspiracy theories. In 2018, she shared Facebook posts that characterized California as a war zone, alleged voter fraud by Democrats in four elections, described the teenage survivors of the Parkland shooting "dangerous to the survival of our nation" (because they advocated for gun control) and accused President Obama and Hillary Clinton of being involved in wiretapping then-candidate Donald Trump. In 2017, she held a speech saying the left wants "to extinguish our rights," that the left "moves its forces across our country," and that the NFL was "mainstreaming anti-Americanism" because some NFL players kneeled during the national anthem to protest police brutality and racial discrimination. She harshly criticized Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell as "useful idiots" for "LiberalFascists" because they did not condemn violence on the left during the violent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017. She has made videos for the Daily Caller where she wondered whether "cultural Marxists have already won in our country."[32]
wikipedia

This quote (from elsewhere) is specifically for george.
Quote:
“Ginni Thomas is a crucially important person in this conservative movement,” said Mark Levin, a talk-radio host who dabbles in conspiracy theory, at the luncheon. “Don’t you think?”
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 04:12 pm
https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Nevada-Cauc-LI-600.jpg
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 04:21 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERj9igdWsAATugc?format=jpg&name=small
Quote:
James Pethokoukis - (From my AEI colleague @MichaelRStrain's new book The American Dream is Not Dead."


That long downward trend (80 to 95) coincides with the Reagan/Bush Sr administrations. The upward rise following runs from Clinton through George W, Obama and Trump. As Pethokoukis notes:
Quote:
So wages took a hit BEFORE neolib revolution and then powered higher well into it.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 04:33 pm
There will certainly be fun ahead folks (I've temporarily lost the sourcing here but I'll find it and post- it was from Foreign Policy)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERkuwlmXUAAs2u6?format=png&name=900x900
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 04:42 pm
@blatham,
Related to above
Quote:
The markets fell as the outbreak grew. On Jan. 31, the same day several airlines suspended flights and the United States announced its escalated response, the Dow Jones industrial average dropped 600 points, or 2 percent. Trump grew concerned that any stronger action by his administration would hurt the economy, and he has told advisers that he does not want the administration to do or say anything that would further spook the markets. He remains worried that any large-scale outbreak could hurt his reelection bid.
WP

Yep. That's the critical aspect of pandemics. But no, Trump doesn't evidence the characteristics of a sociopath one little bit.

And, as always, just throw out the bullshit to his stupid, stupid, stupid fans

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERkvnMKWkActWfD?format=jpg&name=small
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 04:44 pm
The magical healing powers of a trial completed...

Weinstein walks out of the courthouse without aid of the rented walker.
 

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