blatham
 
  1  
Reply Tue 21 Jan, 2020 11:52 pm
@Lash,
You have that reversed. Nobody is stupid enough to believe you.
Setanta
 
  3  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 12:11 am
It is useful to keep in mind Lash's constant and obsesxseive hatred of the Clintons.
Olivier5
 
  0  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 01:38 am
@revelette3,
Hillary can't stop herself from screwing up. Like if anyone cared about her petty score settling desguised as "unvarnished views"...
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 02:02 am
Bernie Sanders, visibly amused:

Quote:
Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., pushed back Tuesday on former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton's claim that "nobody" likes him.

“On a good day, my wife likes me, so let’s clear the air on that one,” Sanders told a reporter in response
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oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 02:12 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
You have that reversed. Nobody is stupid enough to believe you.

Most of the time blatham merely quotes other people that he believes are intellectuals and says "Look everybody! I think what those guys think!"

But now and again, blatham attempts to come up with his own arguments.

When he does so, he gets out of his depth almost immediately.

And then he starts name-calling.
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 02:47 am
@oralloy,
The pattern I spot is: "Anybody but Sanders". He's got a chance at the nomination, so the fat cats are growing increasingly nervous.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 03:03 am
@Olivier5,
Sanders is going to give Biden a strong challenge, but Biden looks like he's got the votes lined up to win the nomination.

Although I'm going to vote for Sanders in the primaries despite my assessment of the outcome.
hightor
 
  2  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 03:26 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
He's got a chance at the nomination, so the fat cats are growing increasingly nervous

The alley cats are getting nervous too. There's a general fear that democratic socialism, and its finger-wagging messenger, will alienate many moderate voters and a large number of the independents whose votes are necessary to win in November. Nevertheless, Clinton should have kept her mouth shut because she's way too divisive to be an effective party healer.
Olivier5
 
  0  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 03:37 am
@oralloy,
I think Sanders can beat Biden IF Warren yields in his favor.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 03:44 am
@Olivier5,
I don't. I think the die has been cast, and Biden will be the nominee.

But we'll see what happens. I don't claim to be infallible.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 03:49 am
@oralloy,
They say one week is a long time in politics. No die gets cast 10 month in advance like that. It's an open race. Which is why the fat cats are fretting.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 03:53 am
@Olivier5,
We'll see.

(I've already made predictions for the 2032 presidential election.)
Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 04:00 am
@oralloy,
Oh I can predict whatever and I'm sure you can too, but the point is that it doesn't always turn true.
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hightor
 
  2  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 04:02 am
@Olivier5,
The fact that a figure like Biden is still popular among significant numbers of Democratic voters doesn't demonstrate a large-scale embrace of democratic socialism.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 04:07 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Nevertheless, Clinton should have kept her mouth shut because she's way too divisive to be an effective party healer.

She's welcome to speak positively about her preferred candidates and to state unambiguously that she will support the nominee even if it's Sanders. But equating Trump and Bernie, that's downright disgusting.

Quote:
I worked for Hillary Clinton. Her attacks on Bernie Sanders are a big mistake
Peter Daou with Leela Daou
Tue 21 Jan 2020 17.52 GMT

[...]  the intervening years, we have very publicly reconsidered the single-minded intensity of our Clinton advocacy and apologized for exacerbating divisions between Clinton and Sanders voters. In the process, we have come to realize the extent to which the term "Bernie bro" marginalizes and erases the voices of millions of people of color and women who are part of the Sanders-inspired “Not me. Us” movement.

Here is the irony: as we began to embrace #NotMeUs and express support for Sanders, a cadre of Sanders haters began trolling and harassing us with the same venom that they attribute to so-called Bernie bros. They impugned our motives and character, called us traitors and sellouts, and mobbed our Twitter threads. It was a disconcerting awakening to the hypocrisy of those who slam Sanders supporters as a bunch of sexist young white males, then engage in identical behavior to those they criticize.

The lesson is unmistakable: there are angry and obnoxious supporters of all candidates. Isolating Sanders supporters and implying they are a misogynistic monolith is profoundly unfair. Why are other candidates’ backers allowed to fight hard without being reduced to a regressive moniker? While sexism and harassment are unacceptable in any forum, the hyper-focus on a small minority of aggressive online trolls purposely tarnishes an entire movement through guilt by association.

For Clinton to come out rhetorical guns blazing against Sanders weeks before primary voting begins reflects misplaced priorities on the part of the Clinton camp and an unfortunate willingness to amplify destructive myths about Sanders and his supporters. Moreover, Clinton implies there’s some equivalence between Sanders and Donald Trump, saying: “We want, hopefully, to elect a president who’s going to try to bring us together, and not either turn a blind eye, or actually reward the kind of insulting, attacking, demeaning, degrading behavior that we’ve seen from this current administration.”

There is absolutely no basis to compare Sanders to Trump. Sanders has sparked a massive progressive grassroots movement. In a recent poll, he has majority support from black voters under 35 and among all young voters. He has energized people across the country and has built an incredibly diverse and unified coalition committed to upholding core progressive values. He has demonstrated the courage to call for a political revolution and systemic change against a Washington establishment that serves only the ultra-wealthy and powerful.

While we will never gratuitously attack Clinton to ingratiate ourselves to her critics, we cannot sit back while the Democratic party establishment tries to minimize and tear down the mass movement Sanders has helped build. That includes the Obamas, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden and other Democratic leaders who over the past two decades have proven unable (or unwilling) to stem a rising and emboldened right wing in America, while they continue to peddle the fiction that Sanders and his voters are “too far left”. It is long past time for a progressive overhaul of the entire party, and it would better for our country and our future if Democratic leaders encouraged the Sanders movement rather than try to erase it.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/21/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-attacks-netflix
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 04:08 am
@hightor,
There is still time to convince more people to vote for Sanders. That's what primaries are for, no?
Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 04:21 am
"This isn't high school."
-- Tulsi Gabbard in an interview with @WMUR9, reacting to Hillary Clinton's "nobody likes him" message.
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 04:26 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
There is still time to convince more people to vote for Sanders.

Do you think he's going to change his message to appeal to more people in the middle?
Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 04:31 am
@hightor,
No, i think he tends to convince people who genuinly listen to him. Many people have a manufactured negative perception of him, due to the corporate media having tarred and featherdd hkm for so long, but that's artificial. It goes away as soon as people pay attention to what he actually says. You too should listen first, before judging.
hightor
 
  1  
Reply Wed 22 Jan, 2020 05:03 am
@Olivier5,
I do listen to him and I would like to see his programs enacted — realistically, i.e. incrementally. I also realize that the prospect of such a monumental change in the way this country works is threatening to many people, even people who would stand to benefit.

I've paid attention to socialist politicians ever since I first heard Eric Hass when he was a candidate for governor of NY in 1962.
 

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