Progressives (Liberals)

I doubt Bernie will lose any supporters over this. Not sure how it is going to affect Warren, she might get more independent women if they see Bernie acting in an aggressive manner like he did after the debate. As it is, Bernie is comfortably ahead of Warren, there was no need for him or whoever it was in his campaign volunteers to start all of this with that stupid memo; Warren was on her way out. But then if Warren starts to make too much of it, it might backfire, so far, in the news headlines, I see no signs of it. I would have to read polls in Iowa and NH and I'll check it out later today to see if her numbers go down. I don't see Bernie's going down in any case among die hard progressives. At the end of it, it will probably be between Bernie and Biden. This is small potatoes compared with what Biden might have to deal with if the democrats are forced to compromise in the impeachment trial and allow Biden and Hunter to testify. In that case, it will be Bernie and Trump. Don't eat me, but I think in that case, Bernie will lose. I hope I would be proven wrong.

Just because pundits say Warren is out doesn't make it true, though. Only the people's vote can clear that up. So after a couple primaries, she may be out, but not before.

Sanders assumed he needed to contrast himself with her. I think he could have done it better, remaining on the positive (e.g. "I have a better chance at broadening the base in the general than she has"), but he is correct that at some point, the differences between the two need to come out. And with the primaries starting, the moment is now.

Oh, and don't eat me but I think Bernie will humiliate Trump on the campaign trail and ultimately in the voting booth.

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I hope you are right.

As usual I go to Nate Silvers, he was one of few who got it right at the end of the 2016 election, to get a political perspective. I thought he would writing about the Sanders/Warren situation.

Election Update: Why Warren Needs To Play To Win — And That Includes Beating Sanders

As Silver indicates, the models don't show any post debate polls because they haven't got any yet.

You must have one serious ******* crush on Trump then.

Would you be willing to bet on that highly unlikely proposition?

In the first place most of the Democrat establishment appears to be working hard to prevent Sanders' nomination. In the second Americans have long been very suspicious of Socialism and the very enervating results that have followed in a number of (mostly European) governments. Of the leading Democrat contenders I believe Sanders would by far be Trump's favorite -- very easy to beat. The stark contract between the economic results Trump has already achieved through his actions and the vague, sweeping programs Sanders advocates and the largely unsubstantiated descriptions he as offered for them will not go unnoticed by voters.

Sanders is a life long dedicated Socialist who has never in his life had employment outside elected office, and who was for most of his career in the Senate a figure of comic relief in that body. As Hillary Clinton discovered, in what was planned to be a merely pro-forma token opposition in the Democrat Primary in 2015 & 16, Bernie's socialist rhetoric did inspire a minority of enthusiastic followers. However, our public has now had several more years of his tiresome rhetoric and, in contrast, the vivid example of the economic benefits to nearly all of Trump's economic and regulatory policies Sanders still has the support of an enthusiastic minority of voters, but remains unable to expand it as will be required in the election.

How much are you willing to bet?

Right. There are how many happy-buddy photos of these two lunching and drinking and partying at Mar a lago or some Trump hotel or golf course or in Europe or the Ukraine through a period of years? How many email exchanges? How many accounts of them working together to mutual ends?

On the other hand though, I personally believe the things that Giuliani says and believe I am not at the slightest peril in trusting him.

I don't think that is going to happen. Sanders will never drop, see 2016. I don't think Warren will drop to support Sanders. If she was willing to do that, she wouldn't have run in the first place. I think you end up in the convention with both of them holding delegates and if they hold enough to deny someone else the nomination outright, the fun begins.

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Apparently, no one bothered to note that Trump is under impeachment. Or that Paul Manfort, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, Michael Cohen, Roger Stone and others are under indictment or have pleaded guilty or are in jail. They were probably just about to mention these relevant comparisons but they ran out of time

Flynn has withdrawn his guilty plea. Manafort and Gates did not touch Trump.
Stone did less than Comey, Trump will pardon him.

Bernie’s aggressive behavior after the debate: offering his handshake to a woman who lied about him and attacked his character to the core.

Do you have any idea wtf you’re talking about?

There’s one poll.

Bernie got 4 mil in donations in the 2 days after this disgusting duplicity from Warren hit the air.

Could it be the ones attacking arn't real democrats but republican plants?

So how long is trump's nose considering the 13000 plus lies and untruths he's made just while he's been in office?

Liz Warren hasnt lied one damn bit about her Native American ancestry. She had a DNA test and it shoed, based upon the fact that markers are RETAINED, they are not, as many folks herein seem to believe, "diluted to extinction"
She has hqd at least one Native American ancestor at 6 generations ago or 2 , at 10 to 12 generations ago.
Plump is such a goddamn full blooded prevaricator(and outright liar) that hes made it an art form. (Remember, hes been clinging on to his family line of bullhit that the Trumps are SWEDISH)

That's "diluted to extinction" in my book.

I am not entirely sure that the comic was about the ancestry thing however. It's not the way I took it anyway.

First prize for lying goes to Obama for his "if you like your health insurance you can keep it" and "I forced people off their insurance plans because they were substandard" lies.

I thought the latest Plump whoppers and Tweeps was now over 14500 , but hes still still shooting for 20K by the end of his regime in Jan 2021)

Bad math there. Mr. Trump's second term ends in 2025.

The Republicans will hold the White House until at least 2037. Maybe even longer.

youve always hd a problem with comparative arithmetic ollie.