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@blatham,

You're most welcome.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

That's happened quite often before. There's a bond.

The bond is between me and the truth. Whenever someone, Lash included, makes an excellent point, I am liable to give it an upvote. That's what the voting function is there for.

If you don't like the fact that I don't upvote your posts, stop making posts that suck so much.

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@Olivier5,

Sanders volunteers are not attendants at a band concert. They are there to help under an actual campaign team of which Sanders is the head. He has a responsibility to chastise his volunteers if it turn out they actually did what they are accused of.

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@revelette3,

Okay then: who is accused of what, pray tell? Let us be specific here, and go to the bottom of this tempest in a tea pot.

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@Olivier5,

Political candidates go after each other, they win by raising the other candidates' negatives. People's view of Sanders is not going to change, they hate him or love him. His challenge is to make people who are ok with his policies but dislike him personally to not vote for Warren, so he's trying to raise her negatives by saying that she is educated and she appeals to educated people so you can't trust her. I find that an annoying argument, but he's not going to get my vote in the primary anyway so I doubt he cares.

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@engineer,

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he's trying to raise her negatives by saying that she is educated and she appeals to educated people so you can't trust her.

That's just not true. Sanders never said that.

Getting all angry and passive aggressive about Sanders and spreading lies about him, or about any other dem candidate, is exactly what Trump expects of you.

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@Olivier5,

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Marshalltown, Iowa (CNN)Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren said she was "disappointed" to hear about a memo containing talking points reportedly given to volunteers for her Democratic rival Bernie Sanders that characterizes her as only attractive as a candidate among the elite.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/12/politics/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-negative-talking-points/index.html

He doesn't deny it, he says he only read about it. However, when answering to it in the article above, he didn't say the volunteers were wrong to do it or anything. He made a point about their being friends, but no words to apology if it turns to been the truth. It might turn out to be false, he may yet apologize if it is true. In any event, the damage if there was any, is already out there. It is more divide and conquer if it is true. Dividing people into camps of groups. I am sure there are a lot of intellectual elites who support Sander's as well as Warren. Elite is not a dirty word, or at least it shouldn't be.

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@revelette3,

It could well be a local initiative, or maybe it's not even true. If true, it's a mild critique of her bookish style. People keep saying that Sanders does not appeal to X, Y and Z, and you don't see Bernie crying a river about it. But when a 5th fiddle in Bernie's team criticizes any other candidate, suddenly the sky is falling...

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

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Down to two old white men.

That's racist, and sexist, and ageist — McG scores a trifecta!

Just like the Democrat party.

How would you describe Biden and Sanders? Young Latino women?

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@Olivier5,

Personally I don't care, I think Warren has been losing steadily to Sanders since Sander's had his heart attack. I am not sure what to make of that, perhaps with Bernie becoming less grumpy (which he has) he appealed to the same group which appeals to Warren. I basically think they appeal to the same group of people, except Sanders does appeal to low income blue collar workers more than the college educated intellectuals. But it is the term "elitist" which is a term the republicans use against democrats which is the sticking point. If you don't get that, you don't get US current politics of the past decade which to my knowledge which is not that great, it started at least in the W Bush era.

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@McGentrix,

It is deciding democrats would vote for people because of their status of race and gender and age, not that they happened to be two old white men. Don't anybody use their common sense around here? Or is talking points just for the sake of repeating them and making some score the point now?

For some reason, people think those two so far have the best chance to win and it has nothing to do with race or gender or old age. If we objected to them based on those qualification it would be a different thing. Voting for them because of their status might just be in the same category. Prejudice is prejudice no matter what.

I personally an not enthused with any of the democrat front runner but will vote for any of them.

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@McGentrix,

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How would you describe Biden and Sanders?

Biden's a moderate Democrat and Sanders is a democratic socialist running as a Democrat. They're both older than I'd like to see (I admit to ageism here) but I don't particularly concern myself with their race or gender since neither of them are hostile to the concerns of women or minorities. Possessing a vagina or having dark skin isn't a prerequisite for recognizing and addressing the concerns of people with those characteristics.

And, by the way, I wasn't criticizing you, I was ribbing you. No need to go on the defense.

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@revelette3,

I initially thought Warren would do better than Sanders. I like her technical mastery of economics, see it as a big asset re. Sanders. And she did do better than him at start. A number of factors helped him get back in the race: AOC's endorsement, the TV debates, Warren's perceived evasiveness on how to pay for her health plans, etc.

It may well be that there was an element of fashion in her candidacy, as the selfie thing would tend to indicate. Fashions come and go. She ain't finished yet. It'll be a long race, but the sooner the "progressives" coallesce around one candidate, the better for them. Biden is still in a comfortable lead.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

Biden's a moderate Democrat

I'm a moderate Democrat.

Biden is a leftist extremist.

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@hightor,

A political leaning is not a description. That is an analysis of a mental condition. I doubt if someone where to ask you to describe someone driving a bus that you would then reply with their political beliefs.

My comment was also a bit of a purposeful haymaker at the left. The last two candidates were diverse and appropriate to the times. You had a "well spoken" (Biden's description) middle aged black man and an old white man disguised as a woman.

To now turn to old white men to compete with an old white man seems disingenuous to what a very large percentage of what the Democrat party stands for. I think that the party is doing it's self a disservice and will lose a few thousands votes (people that will not vote at all as a result). Could be all that is needed to beat Trump.

But hey, not my party, not my monkeys.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

If true ....

Politico confirms the story:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/11/bernie-quietly-goes-negative-on-warren-097594

The title is dishonest though: the 'script' doesn't seem to mention "a candidate of the elite". It says:

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people who support her are highly-educated, more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democratic no matter what” [and that] “she's bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party.”

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

hightor wrote:
Biden's a moderate Democrat

I'm a moderate Democrat.

Biden is a leftist extremist.

Also a bit of a comedian. Not a single person on A2K will believe you are a moderate Democrat.

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@McGentrix,

I'm certainly not one of those progressives.

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@oralloy,

You're more on the regressive side.

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@McGentrix,

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To now turn to old white men to compete with an old white man seems disingenuous to what a very large percentage of what the Democrat party stands for.

But it's not what I stand for. I don't vote for Democrats; I vote against Republicans. Choose a younger gay male with dark skin and someone will complain that older straight white women are being overlooked. Choose a woman with a Spanish surname and someone will want an Asian-American. Choose a trans-gender lesbian of mixed race and someone will object because their race was excluded. It's a mug's game.

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