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@coldjoint,

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Of course not. Islam, just like Christianity, has a big antisemitism problem.

Christians are not taught to hate Jews Muslims are.

Why yes, after centuries of pogroms, culminating in the Holocaust, Christians have at long last changed their attitude toward Jews.

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@Brand X,

That little bastard.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Why yes, after centuries of pogroms, culminating in the Holocaust, Christians have at long last changed their attitude toward Jews.

Oremus et pro perfidis Judaeis, ut Deus et Dominus noster auferat velamen de cordibus eorum, ut et ipsi cognoscant Jesum Christum Dominum nostrum. in the "Good Friday prayer for the Jews" was only changed first in 1955. (Wikipedia report)

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In an interview with the magazine 'Der Spiegel' (in German and paywall) the new SPD co-chair Saskia Esken defends "democratic socialism" and explains in which cases she considers expropriation to be legitimate and why she advises managers to get to know working life from below.

SPD leader Saskia Esken sees "democratic socialism" as a political vision. "The SPD has been working on it for 156 years." Currently, capitalism is developing to a great extent, both through globalisation and digitalisation. "Therefore, it is more necessary than ever to debate how we shape capitalism." Democratic socialism is "a goal, just like our core values of freedom, solidarity, justice," says Esken.

She cites expropriation and socialisation as possible instruments for creating a more just society. "Our constitution states that both expropriation and socialization are means given to the state and society to ensure the responsible use of property," she says, "If these were completely crazy ideas, they would not be in our constitution. Esken cites the housing market as an example. The state must also play a greater role in the supply of water and electricity.

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@Walter Hinteler,

That's my ideological home.

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@blatham,

But I'm additionally a party member Smile

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@Walter Hinteler,

I hereby submit my application for honorary party membership status.

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‘Chaos Is the Point’: Russian Hackers and Trolls Grow Stealthier in 2020

The National Security Agency and its British counterpart issued an unusual warning in October: The Russians were back and growing stealthier.

Groups linked to Russia’s intelligence agencies, they noted, had recently been uncovered boring into the network of an elite Iranian hacking unit and attacking governments and private companies in the Middle East and Britain — hoping Tehran would be blamed for the havoc.

For federal and state officials charged with readying defenses for the 2020 election, it was a clear message that the next cyberwar was not going to be like the last. The landscape is evolving, and the piggybacking on Iranian networks was an example of what America’s election-security officials and experts face as the United States enters what is shaping up to be an ugly campaign season marred by hacking and disinformation...

NYT

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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Because before then when Jews were being slaughtered by Cossacks in Russian programs and savaged all around Europe it was just fun & games?
Yes. Just like checkers, tag and pick up sticks. You're really quick.

Not really, but one doesn't have to be all that fleet to point out a ridiculously callous comment by you.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

coldjoint wrote:

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Of course not. Islam, just like Christianity, has a big antisemitism problem.

Christians are not taught to hate Jews Muslims are.

Why yes, after centuries of pogroms, culminating in the Holocaust, Christians have at long last changed their attitude toward Jews.

Actually, no - KKK members organize under a burning cross denouncing Jews. White Supremacist denounce Judaism also.

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Marianne Williamson has ended her campaign.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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one doesn't have to be all that fleet to point out a ridiculously callous comment by you.

Come on, fella. This isn't complicated.

Earlier anti-Jewish pogroms were not comparable to what happened in the middle of the century in Europe in two ways. First, as my link shows, the numbers of Jewish people murdered are not remotely comparable. Second, the spread of knowledge of these events was, again, not remotely comparable because of the differing dimensions of them, the attention of the world focused on WW2, and the much larger and more sophisticated news/communications systems of the later period. Those factors are why the Holocaust held (and holds) such a unique position in the minds of most people in the world and is mainly why we are generous with our empathies.

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@BillW,

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White Supremacist denounce Judaism also.

White supremacy is not a religion Einstein. Islam is, and it teaches hate for Jews and non-Muslims.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Because before then when Jews were being slaughtered by Cossacks in Russian programs and savaged all around Europe it was just fun & games?

Actually, the 1st Cossack Division - later named XV SS Cossack Cavalry Corps was a cavalry corps in the armed forces of Nazi Germany.
They had established a reputation for undisciplined and ruthless behaviour, not only towards partisans but also the civilian population and especially Jews already years earlier, when fighting as Cossack regiments Platow and von Jungschulz, forming in the first years of WWII the Cosack division - called Reiterverband von Pannwitz - of the Army Group A (Heeresgruppe A).

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@coldjoint,

But white fostered christianinty is, as practiced by hypocrites like you.

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@RABEL222,

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But white fostered christianinty is, as practiced by hypocrites like you.

I am not a hypocrite, try again.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.desmoinesregister.com/amp/4427736002

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For the first time in his two-cycle pursuit of the Democratic presidential nomination — and at about the best time for such a peak — U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders leads the Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom Iowa Poll.

The senator from Vermont is the top choice of 20% of likely Democratic caucusgoers, according to the poll by Selzer & Co. That places him 3 percentage points ahead of Elizabeth Warren, 4 points ahead of Pete Buttigieg and 5 points ahead of Joe Biden. No other candidate has double-digit support.

This poll also brings his highest favorability rating since June — 66% of likely Democratic caucusgoers have favorable feelings toward him, versus 29% with unfavorable feelings. That's an 11-point increase in net favorability since the November Iowa Poll.

He keeps his locked-in, enthusiastic base of support — a clear advantage over the other leading candidates: 49% of his supporters say they’re extremely enthusiastic to caucus for him — 17 percentage points higher than the share for his closest rival, Warren.

Election 2020: Bernie Sanders, a Democrat campaigning for president in Iowa
And, in what pollster J. Ann Selzer calls his best number of the poll, 59% of his supporters say their mind is made up. Warren is once again next, at 48%.

“For real, he could win the caucuses,” Selzer said. “His supporters are more committed and more entrenched.”

The poll, conducted Jan. 2-8, surveyed 701 likely Democratic caucusgoers and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.7 percentage points.

His peaks come with valleys, however. He leads the other top-tier candidates in support among people younger than 35, at 36%. But he has just 5% support among likely Democratic caucusgoers 65 or older.

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@BillW,

These could be seen as outliers and fake Christians, though.

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@Walter Hinteler,

1959 rather, according to your link:

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On 21 March 1959, Pope John XXIII ordered that the word "faithless" (Latin: perfidis) be removed from the prayer for the conversion of the Jews,[13] This word had caused much trouble in recent times because of misconceptions that the Latin perfidis was equivalent to "perfidious", giving birth to the view that the prayer accused the Jews of treachery (perfidy), though the Latin word is more correctly translated as "faithless" or "unbelieving".[14] Accordingly, the prayer was revised to read:[15]

Let us pray also for the Jews: that almighty God may remove the veil from their hearts; so that they too may acknowledge Jesus Christ our Lord.

The "Gaffiot" (classic Latin-French dictionnary) gives both meaning for perfidus: perfidious AND without faith, so the argument that it only means "faithless" is... well... perfidious.

https://www.lexilogos.com/latin/gaffiot.php?p=1147

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@blatham,

You're right "fella" it's not complicated.

This is from you:

blatham wrote:

And what (The Holocaust) did follow gave "anti-Semitism" its present heft and seriousness.

I'm sure all the murdered and tortured Jews over the centuries prior to WWII will agree their suffering had no heft or seriousness.

Why not just admit when your glib comments have crossed a line?

This is why I cannot afford you "heft" or "seriousness." You clearly care more about the cuteness of your turns of phrase than their substance.

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