MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 07:16 pm
@oralloy,
That would have wipdd out our lives reVolution. NoMinutemen. No Battle of LExington and Concord.

BillW
 
  2  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 07:34 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

That would have wipdd out our lives reVolution. NoMinutemen. No Battle of LExington and Concord.

Plus, making us the villains. Totally against just warfare. It is what we have fought against for over 100 years. The rules were bent by GW Bush - well, mostly Cheney, Bolton, Rumsfelt and that was bad enough. Scourges on our National "soul" suck and take a long time to get over. Except, of course, for those that don't have a soul to save to begin with! But, that will be overcome or our democracy will end an ugly death.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 07:36 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
It's so true. How can you win every battle yet loose the war. Easy, it's their home. When we leave, they're still there. It's their home.

Actually by the 1970s all we needed to do was prop up South Vietnam financially.

The Democrats maliciously cut off aid to South Vietnam so that they would fall to the Communists.
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 07:37 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
That would have wipdd out our lives reVolution. NoMinutemen. No Battle of LExington and Concord.

Not really. Our troops fought honorably.
coldjoint
 
  1  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 09:22 pm
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MontereyJack
 
  1  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 10:33 pm
@oralloy,
They were nonuniformedcombatants from a traitorious nongovernment not yet formed. The groups you just wanted to hang. It's all in the viewpoint.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 10:44 pm
@oralloy,
That's nonsense. By the time we left. North Viet controlled the whole countryside except for a couple cities. The South Viet govt was imposed largely by the cia and never had wide support. Readt Ikes

memoirs. Bad war unwinnable from start.
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 10:57 pm
@MontereyJack,
No they didn't. The Tet Offensive resulted in the complete destruction of the Vietcong.

After that, the North controlled only the North until the Democrats betrayed South Vietnam.

There is no such thing as an unwinnable war. The problem is progressives who betray the nation to our enemies.
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 10:58 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
They were nonuniformedcombatants from a traitorious nongovernment not yet formed. The groups you just wanted to hang.

No they weren't. They had proper military uniforms and obeyed the laws of war.


MontereyJack wrote:
It's all in the viewpoint.

No. It is a concrete fact that our soldiers had proper uniforms.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 11:02 pm
@oralloy,
Ever seen what the ninutemen
wore? Whatever they plowed their fields in.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 11:04 pm
@oralloy,
Your history is wrong.
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 11:05 pm
@MontereyJack,
That is incorrect. My facts are all in order.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 11:23 pm
@oralloy,
Incorrect
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 11:24 pm
@MontereyJack,
Actual members of the Continental Army wore proper uniforms.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 11:26 pm
@MontereyJack,
Not incorrect. The Vietcong were eradicated in the Tet Offensive.

The only reason why South Vietnam was destroyed is because the Democrats betrayed them.

The Democrats also betrayed all the Americans who gave their lives to save South Vietnam.
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BillW
 
  2  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 11:33 pm
@MontereyJack,
MJ, he just makes it up as he goes along. I happen to know how much BS is being spouted, I was there, wow! Has no idea between NVA and VietCong and where their distribution in country were. And, so completely wrong about TET. Probably doesn't know what it is or when it occurs..

The war was "lost" for the same reason Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria were lost. Our troops were pulled out and the remaining puppet governments failed because they were propped up and couldn't stand on their own. We didn't "lose". They were abandoned in a Civil War where they lived and had a real and enduring reason to win.

This has nothing to do with the good guys verses the bad guys; but with the ones who have the strongest will to survive.
oralloy
 
  1  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 11:44 pm
@BillW,
Here. Try educating yourself.

http://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-after-the-Tet-Offensive-the-Viet-Cong-were-no-longer-considered-an-effective-fighting-force
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oralloy
 
  1  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2019 11:51 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
The war was "lost" for the same reason Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria were lost.

Here are some excerpts from a post that I made a few days ago:

Progressives always try to make America fail.

When progressives succeed in making America fail, progressives cheer for the harm that they have caused.

When progressives don't succeed in making America fail, progressives delude themselves into thinking that they have made America fail, and they cheer for the harm that they imagine that they have caused.

Shame on progressives either way.

http://able2know.org/topic/355218-3898#post-6940031
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MontereyJack
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 Dec, 2019 12:01 am
@oralloy,
Your history is wrong.
oralloy
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 Dec, 2019 12:03 am
@MontereyJack,
That is incorrect. My history is exactly correct.
 

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