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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 05:37 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Also from Haaretz
Quote:
Israeli Hate Crimes Against Palestinians Were Fewer, but More Brazen in 2019
Data by the Israeli defense establishment shows less incidents in the West Bank compared to last year, but an increase in severity and scope of violence

It's not a hate crime for Jews to protect themselves from those who try to harm them.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 05:39 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Most -- but not all -- legal scholars believe that the evidence clearly shows the president engaging in behavior which would quickly be labeled as "unconstitutional" in different circumstances, say were Hillary Clinton president.

I doubt that any legal scholar can defend such a position using facts or logic.


hightor wrote:
Congress can't just sit by and watch Trump defy the Constitution and, given his truculence there's no chance of any walk back on his part.

Mr. Trump is not defying the Constitution in any way.


hightor wrote:
So what alternative is there to the impeachment process?

The Democrats can admit that Mr. Trump had not done anything wrong, and make amends to all the victims of their witch hunts.


hightor wrote:
His supporters have circled the wagons and dug in so the constitutional provision is pretty much all that can be done to check presidential overreach, now and in the future.

Except, there is no presidential overreach here.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 05:40 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
How Trump Lost His Trade War
Quote:
Trade wars rarely have victors. They do, however, sometimes have losers. And Donald Trump has definitely turned out to be a loser.

Of course, that’s not the way he and his team are portraying the tentative deal they’ve struck with China, which they’re claiming as a triumph. The reality is that the Trump administration achieved almost none of its goals; it has basically declared victory while going into headlong retreat.

And the Chinese know it. Chinese officials are “jubilant and even incredulous” at the success of their hard-line negotiating strategy.

(...)

Progressives always try to make America fail.

When progressives succeed in making America fail, progressives cheer for the harm that they have caused.

When progressives don't succeed in making America fail, progressives delude themselves into thinking that they have made America fail, and they cheer for the harm that they imagine that they have caused.

I'm not following the trade war stuff closely enough to know if progressives have actually harmed America or if they are merely deluding themselves again.

Hopefully it is the latter, but shame on progressives either way.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 05:41 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
let's note that Clinton did not subsequently have an entire partisan media world tied into party operations that promoted his "defense"

Oh yes he did. Bill Clinton had his lies supported and repeated by all of the rest of the media apart from Fox News.


blatham wrote:
Whereas Fox etc and GOP house members universally echoed Trump's lie in unison.

Not too much different from the entire rest of the media and the Democratic House members universally echoing Bill Clinton's lies in unison.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 05:42 am
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
True, wouldn't have Clinton had loved to have had a Fox News and the rest of the conservative news successfully completely in his corner?

I think Bill Clinton did well enough by having all of the rest of the media aside from Fox News.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 06:08 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
That's a big IF. It's amusing to see a Democrat blogger worrying about how well the Republicans may accept a defeat in the (unlikely) event of their defeat in the coming election, particularly following the hysterical denial and derangement that occurred among Democrats following Trump's victory in 2016. That said, such projection is their favorite pastime.

Democrats have a long history of falsely accusing Republicans of the Democrats' own bad behavior.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 06:09 am
@revelette3,
Quote:
And Mr. McConnell was entirely unmoved by Ms. Pelosi's tactics, delivering a speech on Thursday evening in which he appeared barely able to contain his amusement at what he regarded as the speaker's missteps.

"I admit, I am not sure what leverage there is in refraining from sending us something we do not want," Mr. McConnell said with a wry smile from the Senate floor. "But alas, if they can figure that out, they can explain it. Meanwhile, other House Democrats say they would prefer never to transmit the articles. Fine with me!"

Fine with me too. LOL!

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 06:13 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Bill was splitting hairs, but for most of the 60s, 70s, into at least the 80s, "sex" meant vagibal sex, and a blowjob was foreplay, not actual sex in general parlance. And Monica admitted it was consensual. Tacky but consensual. So whether bill lied falls in a gray area.

Bill Clinton lied under oath when he directly stated that he did not touch Ms. Lewinsky's breasts or her genitals.

Bill Clinton lied under oath when he said that he did not recall ever being alone with Ms. Lewinsky.

Bill Clinton lied under oath when he said that he did not recall ever giving gifts to Ms. Lewinsky.

Bill Clinton lied under oath when he said that he had not discussed with Ms. Lewinsky her involvement in the Jones civil lawsuit.

Bill Clinton committed obstruction of justice when he sent Betty Currie out to hide his gifts to Ms. Lewinsky before investigators could find them.

Bill Clinton committed witness tampering when he tried to tell Betty Currie how she should testify in court.

Bill Clinton committed conspiracy to obstruct justice when he reached an arrangement with Ms. Lewinsky to deceive investigators about their affair.

Bill Clinton committed sexual harassment against Paula Jones, sexual assault against Kathleen Willey, and outright rape against Juanita Broaddrick.


MontereyJack wrote:
And of course we now have a sexual predator in the white house, self-admitted, and the gop and the religious right ignore that and go all holier-than-thou on the Clintons.

And rightly so. If Bill Clinton gets to be above the law, so do Republican presidents.

Not that anyone can make a case that Mr. Trump has committed any crimes. But if he had done so, it would certainly be no big deal after Bill Clinton.


MontereyJack wrote:
The gop is the original party witch hunting.

That is incorrect. The witch hunts against Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan predated the witch hunts against Bill Clinton.
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snood
 
  5  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 06:37 am
Again, 8 consecutive unanswered posts. It really looks needy and manic, man. Maybe you could do something else after every one or two, just for variety. Read something; take a walk - do some personal hygiene...
There’s a whole world out there...
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 06:40 am
@snood,
I know that it frustrates you that you are not capable of challenging anything that I said, but acting like an embittered childish progressive just makes you look like an embittered childish progressive.
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farmerman
 
  7  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 06:53 am
@snood,
I dont think that he pays any attention to anything but his own prattle and unending bumper stickers.

He fogts that Mr Clinton was impeached and that stain lives with him.
So it is with the present CEO

oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 07:49 am
@farmerman,
The fact that I debunk your untrue claims is evidence that I pay attention to your posts.

And actually it's looking like the Democrats might back down on impeachment. Pelosi says that she might just forget to send the charges over to the Senate.

There is no "stain of impeachment" (as if that were somehow a stain) if the House doesn't actually impeach.
lmur
 
  3  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 08:15 am
@oralloy,
You are aware he was impeached?
revelette3
 
  3  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 08:22 am
@oralloy,
Let the WH tell themselves that. History will record Donald Trump was impeached when the majority of the House approved the two articles of impeachment.
oralloy
 
  0  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 08:29 am
@revelette3,
Impeachment is when the House brings charges to the Senate for a trial.

History will record it if that happens, but at the moment it is still unclear whether this will happen.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 08:30 am
@lmur,
lmur wrote:
You are aware he was impeached?

I am not aware of that. No.

The last I've heard, the House had not yet decided to send impeachment charges over to the Senate.

However, I've not received any news since the PBS MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour was on TV last night. If something has happened within the past 15 hours or so, I remain unaware of it.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 10:13 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

As Richard Hofstadter has written, paranoid theories can be found everywhere but have their most common home on the right. That's true also of anti-intellectualism and the two are obviously tightly related.


I turns out that Hofstadter was himself quite obviously a bit paranoid about those who disagreed with him and rejected his claim to be a spokesman for correct intellectual activity and thought. This kind of projection is fairly common among those of any political persuasion who are inclined to make categorical judgments about others, particularly those who interpret events differently than they do.

I suppose that a bit of timely name dropping can be effective in lending undeserved gravitas to such pejorative statements as that above. However it has no substantive meaning
blatham
 
  1  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 10:19 am
@georgeob1,
Betcha betcha betcha you've never read Hofstadter.
blatham
 
  1  
Sat 21 Dec, 2019 11:02 am
I think once again we need to celebrate the Trump administration and right wing media, FOX particularly, for forwarding the Christian message throughout America.
Quote:
Authorities suspected a hit-and-run when an SUV struck a teenage girl in Iowa earlier this month. The driver veered onto the sidewalk and sped off without trying to help the 14-year-old, officials said, leaving the victim with an array of injuries that kept her out of school for a week.

On Friday, Clive Police Chief Michael Venema said Nicole Marie Poole Franklin, 42, had confessed to being behind the wheel. Then, Venema said, she went a step further. Franklin reportedly told investigators she’d run over the teenager intentionally because she was “a Mexican” — a startling acknowledgment that has prompted local advocates to push for a hate crime charge on top of an attempted-murder charge.
WP
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BillW
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2019 11:05 am
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A very handsome Moscow Mitch at his best!
 

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