georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 09:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, Johnson and his followers like to portray themselves as political rebels, anti-establishment outsiders whose campaign for Brexit is aimed at overturning the status quo in favour of "ordinary" working Brittons.

(I think to remember that someone started a thread about this.)


And Corbyn ... well, his politics may appeal to a socialist elite, many think (and thus, Labour is loosing voters in its heartlands).


Interesting observations. My impression is that the ever agile conservatives are under Boris working hard to attract middle and working class voters who are disenchanted with both elites and the increasingly radical Labor Party under Corbyn. As you noted, Corbyn is making it rather easy for them.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 10:13 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
...agile conservatives are under Boris working hard to attract middle and working class voters...

At least they try to do such. But often fall back to their known snobbish behaviour.


georgeob1 wrote:
... increasingly radical Labor Party under Corbyn ...
Well, Labour only gets back to original Labour Party.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 10:58 am
I suspect the RNC will be noting this:

General election: Almost every Tory ad is dishonest, compared to none of Labour’s, research finds
Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 11:56 am
David Wright

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Michael Bloomberg has crossed the $100 million mark on TV advertising, according to data from @Kantar_Media. Bloomberg is spending $20.4 million on TV ads this week, w/ $17.4 million booked for next week. His total spend now at $100.6 million, across just 5 weeks of advertising.
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 12:36 pm
@snood,
Ewwwwwwwuuuu, glands..........
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 02:59 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

What I wrote above on populist appeals isn't as coherent or thoughtful as it ought to be. I will try to work something up that's better later on today.


That's for sure.

Your remark about Hitler was particularly ridiculous.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 03:01 pm
@revelette3,
And (wink wink, nod nod) he knows they won't.

McKinsey is a corporation every true liberal should despise, but which every progressive lauds.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 03:02 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Policies don’t line up neatly.

Boris protects the interests of the well-heeled, may be trying to ‘sell off’ the NHS to gain a sweet trade deal with America since they are poised for trouble with the EU. Rich people will be ok in that scenario, but as in the current US, average and impoverished people will die. Seems to be the elitist plan.

I stand by my word and its accuracy.


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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 03:05 pm
@blatham,
People are dying in this country because they can’t afford medication and healthcare.

Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn actually give a **** about this.

Don’t worry. I know you don’t understand.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 03:08 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

we all know where the real money went in 2016, even the Koch's finally helppd Plump out.


What exactly is the "real money?"

What an utterly nonsensical and imbecilic comment to make.

Bloomberg's money is somehow "unreal?"

Tom Steyer's money is "unreal?"

The billions from Silicon Valley are "unreal?"

Poor Hillary...all the Wallstreet money she collected turned out to be "unreal."

We also know that the Clinton Campaign out collected and outspent the Trump campaign

Thank God Trump was spending "real money" while HRC only had Monopoly dollars.

Thanks Mr. Wizard! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy



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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 03:20 pm
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBXHVe2.img?h=832&w=1598&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 03:42 pm
@BillW,
Absolutely!

Meanwhile:

Peter Daou
@peterdaou
·
4h
BARACK OBAMA: Attacking the left

MICHELLE OBAMA: Praising Bush's values

HILLARY CLINTON: Going after Bernie

CHUCK SCHUMER: Giving McConnell the judiciary

NANCY PELOSI: Handing Trump a trade victory after absolving him of crimes against humanity

THAT is the establishment.


Leela Daou
@leeladaou
· 4h
THIS IS NOT IT, @MichelleObama. Why are you trying to rehabilitate a war criminal?

"'Our values are the same,' she said of herself and President Bush."

Really?? You share the values of a man who lied to start a war that destroyed the lives of millions?

https://people.com/politics/michelle-obama-importance-george-w-bush-friendship/
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revelette3
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 05:36 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Not according to this:

Quote:
Firm Gives Buttigieg Permission to Reveal the Identities of Former Clients in Response to Mounting Pressure

Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg has been under some heat of late, from fellow candidates and media alike, for not disclosing details about his time working for a consulting firm a decade ago. Buttigieg claimed a nondisclosure agreement he’d signed kept him silent on the matter.

On Monday that changed. The McKinsey consulting firm, where Buttigieg worked for three years, released him from the NDA, giving him permission to expose the identities of the clients he advised while with the company.

“After receiving permission from the relevant clients, we have informed Mr. Buttigieg that he may disclose the identity of the clients he served while at McKinsey from 2007 to 2010. Any description of his work for those clients still must not disclose confidential, proprietary or classified information obtained during the course of that work, or violate any security clearance,” a McKinsey spokesperson said in a statement.

The candidate’s camp responded to the firm’s announcement. “This is correct and we will be releasing list soon. Stay tuned. And in this instance, Pete Buttigieg is being transparent about his private sector work AND keeping his word- two things you will never hear said about our current President,” Buttigieg’s Senior Advisor Lis Smith tweeted.


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/buttigieg-released-from-mckinsey-nondisclosure-agreement-924412/

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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 05:50 pm
@hightor,
Yeah. Hard to pick a modern phenomenon more worrisome than that one.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 05:55 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Your remark about Hitler was particularly ridiculous.
I like your choice of words... "particularly".

It was poorly constructed for the particular audience you are serving as spokesman for, at the moment.

Thus, guilty.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 05:58 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
but which every progressive lauds.

Not even close to being true. You read stuff that tells you that, Finn, and it ain't so. Criticism/analysis of McKinsey and of Pete's relationship to it is pretty much everywhere across the press and media I read.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 05:59 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELivtsEW4AUepv5?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELivtsEW4AUepv5?format=jpg&name=medium
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 06:05 pm
Donald Shaw


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As Pelosi pushes forward with a watered down version of the drug pricing bill, remember she has not joined many of her colleagues in rejecting corporate PAC money. Her pharma PAC donors this year include Pfizer, Biomarin, AmerisourceBergen, AdvaMed etc.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 06:54 pm
Progressives listen to yourselves. Who are the tyrants?
Quote:
There is a reason why those who lust after power set about redefining, rather than simply eschewing, the words which properly belong to free men and women. It is because concepts like “democracy” and “liberty,” if rightly used, command a reverence that arises naturally from their true meanings. Freedom and popular sovereignty are self-evidently good and noble things, triumphs of the human spirit which Socialism seeks to crush. Since totalitarians cannot produce such triumphs, they must ape them, using the cover of falsely redefined words to lend themselves an air of undeserved gravity.

https://americanmind.org/post/why-tyrants-redefine-words/
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2019 06:59 pm
Britain’s Miserable Election

I have never faced such an unappealing set of choices in my life.

J. Russell, Dec. 11, 2019

Quote:
LONDON — This is the dejection election. Not in my lifetime has Britain faced such a miserable choice. Two vain, incompetent, mediocre charlatans are competing to become prime minister. For the Conservatives, we have the blustering, lying, oafish puffball Boris Johnson. In the Labour corner is the querulous, wooden, sanctimonious Jeremy Corbyn.

The two candidates are so alarming that, in an unprecedented intervention, former prime ministers from each of their parties have pleaded with voters to block them. Tony Blair and John Major have urged tactical votes against Mr. Corbyn and Mr. Johnson. Everywhere, exhausted, disillusioned, skeptical voters debate who is worse. British politics has never known anything like it.

These very different men share remarkable, unflattering similarities. Each is ill briefed, hazy on the facts and implications of his policy proposals, uneasy under scrutiny and belligerent when challenged.

Both are promising rank impossibilities. Mr. Johnson tells voters he can deliver Brexit, quickly and painlessly, if they give him a majority. Mr. Corbyn claims it’s possible to drastically transform the economy for ordinary people in five years, raising productivity and living standards, ending tuition fees and nationalizing rail, water and energy — all paid for just by modestly raising taxes for businesses and top earners.

Neither man is telling the truth. Both are addressing real, acute problems — Britain’s stagnant, unequal economy and people’s sense of powerlessness and dislocation — with consoling fantasies.

Mr. Corbyn may believe, delusional though it is, that he really can restructure British capitalism overnight without damaging the economy. His stubborn moral certainty means he’s deceiving himself along with everybody else. Most politicians, of course, have ambitions beyond their competence and dreams they can’t deliver.

Mr. Johnson is playing another game entirely. Amoral and power-hungry, he’s lying with knowledge, calculation and abandon. He and his advisers have made a ruthless and sinister decision — to subvert and smash up British political culture. They have learned from the successes of the Vote Leave campaign, which Mr. Johnson fronted, and, it seems, from Team Trump.

The old assumptions — that truth matters, that lies shame the liar, that in a democracy the press and the public must have a right to interrogate those who seek the top jobs — have all been swept aside by the Tories’ conviction that in an inattentive, dissatisfied, cacophonous world, victory will go to the most compelling entertainer, the most plausible and shameless deceiver, the leader who can drill home a repetitive and seductive incantation. Facts and details will be irrelevant so long as voters feel a politician is on their side.

This strategy has hit British politics like a tornado and has left broadcasters, the opposition, commentators and voters who care about veracity floundering. Mr. Johnson and his ministers have lied fluently and persistently about everything from their fundamental and fake promise to the electorate — that Brexit can be brought to a swift, neat end by him — to its damage to jobs, its impact on Northern Ireland, the ease of new trade deals and the number of new hospitals and nurses the Tories will fund.

It gets even more shameless. The Tories falsely recut a video of an opposition politician. They brazenly rebranded their Twitter account as a fact-checking site during a crucial political debate. They persistently claim that the election had to be called because Parliament had blocked Mr. Johnson’s Brexit deal and voted down his program for government, both of which are false.

Mr. Johnson is not being exposed or embarrassed by his lies because the flood of them is overwhelming, because Britain’s powerful right-wing press is backing him and because he’s dodging any format that could sustain a challenge to him. He has skipped public questioning in favor of carefully constructed photo-ops. He has refused tough interrogations, wriggling out of a slot with the BBC’s most rigorous interviewer.

Mr. Johnson’s team has seized upon a terrifying truth: that the old media, particularly the broadcasters, and the establishment that has decided its rules of operation, are no longer the gatekeepers to communication. Cunning politicians can skip accountability, and British broadcasting’s rules on impartiality and balance, by going straight for the voters’ emotional jugular. In place of public and professional scrutiny there’s Twitter and Facebook, where millions of micro-targeted messages are flooding key voters.

These focused, ferocious evasions of democracy’s conventions and protections appear to be working. The Tories are ahead in the polls and apparently heading for a majority, though the race is tightening and the polls could be wrong. Voters in focus groups parrot Mr. Johnson’s slogans. If the Tories win, they’ll shrug off critics; the demos has approved their tactics.

I dread how a Tory victory would embolden Mr. Johnson and his strategists. Already they are threatening the futures of broadcasters who embarrass them. Already their manifesto promises to look again at the relationships among Parliament, the government and the courts, which is code for: We intend to emasculate anything that constrains us. Given greater power, they will seize more.

I wish for both of these reckless men to lose. A Johnson majority would be petrifying because his lying, bullying and dodging mean Britain has no clue what his real plans for Brexit are. The European Union has made clear he cannot reach a comprehensive trade deal with it within a year, as he claims. We could be in another crisis next December as Mr. Johnson tips us out of our current deals into the coldest, hardest Brexit there is.

Mr. Corbyn cannot win outright, and I would fear his free rein. The least worst result would be a hung Parliament: no party with a majority, but where Labour, Liberal Democrats and the Scottish National Party could combine just long enough to hold a second referendum on Brexit, which might yield a vote to remain.

Nothing can unite this rived country, but that could rebuild it. It is a slight and improbable prospect. I fear for Britain’s future.

nyt/russell
 

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