edgarblythe
 
  3  
Reply Sat 26 Oct, 2019 08:54 am
I've said all I intend to about this Gabbard stuff. It's all stirred up to make us fight and for no other reason.
blatham
 
  3  
Reply Sat 26 Oct, 2019 09:05 am
@edgarblythe,
That's rather like arguing that discussions on racism are what cause racism.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sat 26 Oct, 2019 09:11 am
@blatham,
I am focused on getting Bernie elected. This woman is no threat to him.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 26 Oct, 2019 09:22 am
@hightor,
"Russia — if you're listening..."

This is a perfect example of bi-polar, tribal vision.

If I had a dollar for every time you blithely dismissed something a progressive or Democrat said as humor or political puffery, I could fund my own discussion forum.

The quote to which you and your confreres obsessively refer was a joke.

It is inconceivable that anyone with a sense of humor or intelligence (in any amounts) could interpret this as a sincere and intentional entreaty to Russia to collude on a campaign.

I realize you consider Trump something less than a moron, but do you really think someone who was colluding with a foreign government would so blatantly and publicly draw attention to it?

Oh wait...perhaps you are one of those Democrats who believe in the metaphysical duality of Republicans; that they can be simultaneously dull-witted and diabolically clever. You know, like Ronald Reagan and George Bush. Trump was hiding his collusion out in the open!

What other rock-solid evidence to you have that Trump colluded with Russia?

hightor
 
  2  
Reply Sat 26 Oct, 2019 09:51 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
It is inconceivable that anyone with a sense of humor or intelligence (in any amounts) could interpret this as a sincere and intentional entreaty to Russia to collude on a campaign.


Gee, Finn, I'm sorry, okay? But you said I'd forfeited my right to react with outrage and it was the best I could come up with. It was meant as tongue-in-cheek and it is inconceivable that anyone with a sense of humor or intelligence (in any amounts) could interpret this as a sincere example of collusion with Russia. However, after Trump made that "joke", attempts were made to break into Clinton's server so someone was taking the remark seriously. Maybe that 400 pound guy on a computer in his parents' basement?
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hightor
 
  3  
Reply Sat 26 Oct, 2019 11:02 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
I realize you consider Trump something less than a moron, but do you really think someone who was colluding with a foreign government would so blatantly and publicly draw attention to it?


First thing, the guy doesn't have a sense of humor so it wasn't a "joke". Secondly he's impulsive and tends to go off-script and blurt out stupidities on a pretty regular basis so it wouldn't surprise me if he were being completely sincere.

Quote:
What other rock-solid evidence to you have that Trump colluded with Russia?


Proof of Collusion: Trump Campaign Had 100 Contacts With Russians

Quote:
During Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign and transition period, he and his associates had over 100 contacts with Russian-linked officials, and lied about and tried to cover up every one of them.

This bombshell information comes from a new report from the Moscow Project and Center for American Progress.

The original report said there were 100 documented contacts, but the number was increased to 101 this week following new reports that Paul Manafort and Rick Gates shared polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik, who had ties to Russian intelligence.

The documented 101 contacts between Trump’s campaign and transition teams and Russia linked operatives included at least 28 in-person meetings. It also provides evidence of at least 28 high-ranking Trump campaign officials and advisors who were involved in and/or aware of contacts with Russia-linked operatives during the campaign and transition.

The contact count includes meetings with people who had direct ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Also included were high ranking Russian government officials, bankers, and intelligence operatives.

Each meeting, call, message or correspondence was counted as a separate contact in the report.

According to the report, this information supports reporting from U.S. intelligence agencies:

“On January 6, 2017, the U.S. intelligence community issued a report that showed there were two campaigns to elect Donald Trump: one run by Trump and one run by the Russian government. Trump and many of his senior advisors and close associates have repeatedly denied any connections between the two campaigns, despite the fact that they were working towards the same goal, at the same time, and utilizing the same tactics.”

Of course, for any U.S. presidential campaign to have over 100 Russia contacts is shocking.

Just as shocking, the Moscow Project points out that team Trump tried to cover up every single one of those Russia contacts. The report describes over 15 different cases where people in the Trump campaign issued false denials about its contacts with Russia.

As every prosecutor knows, such attempts to lie and cover up the truth establish “consciousness of guilt.” Trump and his people knew what they were doing was wrong, and they knew that if the information became public during the campaign he would probably lose the election.

There’s really no reason for a presidential campaign to have contacts with Russia. What was going on?

That’s what the FBI wanted to know when they found out about the contacts. As we reported on Friday, they opened up an investigation into Trump shortly after James Comey was fired. They wanted to know if Trump was working as a Russian intelligence asset.

We haven’t seen the results of the FBI investigation yet. We haven’t seen the information gathered by U.S. intelligence agencies either. And we’re still waiting for Bob Mueller’s report on collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Despite this, enough information has been made public for us to form some conclusions. First and foremost, we can conclude that Donald Trump received assistance from Russia in his campaign for the presidency. It is likely he would not have been elected president without Russia’s help.

In addition, we have enough information to conclude that Donald Trump is probably guilty of treason and espionage, which are capital offenses.

Yesterday counterterrorism expert Malcolm Nance was on MSNBC, explaining that this new reporting from the New York Times establishes that Trump committed treason.

“I used to say that Trump was treason adjacent,” Nance said. “Now I say that he’s just neck-deep in treachery.”

There is more than enough evidence of not just “collusion” but also illegal conspiracy, espionage and treason. It is time for Donald Trump to leave the White House and take up residence in a federal prison, where he belongs.

politicususa

That account was from January. By April there was knowledge of many more instances.

Trump’s Russia Cover-Up By the Numbers – 272 contacts with Russia-linked operatives

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On April 18, 2019, a redacted copy of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s “Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election” (Mueller Report) was released to the public. The Mueller report builds on the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that there were two campaigns to elect Donald Trump— one run by Trump and one run by the Russian government. The Mueller report clearly identified collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, despite repeated denials from Trump and many of his senior advisers and close associates that there were any connections between the two campaigns.

A total of 272 contacts between Trump’s team and Russia-linked operatives have been identified, including at least 38 meetings. And we know that at least 33 high-ranking campaign officials and Trump advisers were aware of contacts with Russia-linked operatives during the campaign and transition, including Trump himself. None of these contacts were ever reported to the proper authorities. Instead, the Trump team tried to cover up every single one of them.

Beyond the many lies the Trump team told to the American people, Mueller himself repeatedly remarked on how far the Trump team was willing to go to hide their Russian contacts, stating, “the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.”

the moscowproject
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 26 Oct, 2019 11:05 am
There can be no doubt that Trump and Putin have a secret thing between them that would destroy Trump for good if it came out during his one term as president.
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sat 26 Oct, 2019 11:55 am
Bern Notice!

Bernie’s in SC today, winning black votes the way they should be won—by having policies that win their fights finally.
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Bernie is in South Carolina today at a major criminal justice forum, where Donald Trump spoke yesterday. Bernie’s campaign has focused intently on criminal justice — and his record is a direct contrast with Trump.

Trump has effectively granted blanket legal immunity to corporate criminals, while using the criminal justice apparatus to crack down on immigrants and the poor. By contrast, Bernie has pledged to more stringently enforce laws against corporate criminals, while ending draconian policies that criminalize the poor and persecute people of color.

As South Carolina State Rep. Justin Bamberg wrote in a new oped:

“Sanders is the only 2020 presidential candidate who has spent a lifetime addressing the social ills and injustices that gave rise to the mass incarceration, police violence and racial profiling that plague our system today.”

Here’s a quick rundown of the major differences between Trump and Bernie on criminal justice:

PRIVATE PRISONS

Trump: Doubled spending on private prisons, whose corporate owners give big money to his campaign. There are now more than 121,000 people in private prisons in the United States.

Bernie: Has authored legislation to ban private prisons and has pushed to end for-profit detention centers.

WAR ON DRUGS

Trump: His Justice Department has ordered prosecutors to seek harsh punishments for non-violent drug offenses, and threatened to stop state efforts to legalize marijuana.

Bernie: Released a comprehensive plan to end the racist war on drugs and legalize marijuana.

POLICE DEPARTMENT REFORM

Trump: Has let police departments off the hook for civil rights violations; pushed for the return of “stop and frisk; encouraged law enforcement to rough up people who have been arrested; floated the idea of deploying police force against homeless people.

Bernie: Will strengthen accountability for police departments so that civil rights laws are enforced; Will limit the use of qualified immunity for police officers, establish a national use of force standard that emphasizes de-escalation, and ban practices like racial profiling.

WHITE COLLAR CRIME

Trump: Reduced white collar and environmental prosecutions to a record low; offered non-prosecution deals to corporate wrongdoers; reduced tax fraud investigations against millionaires and corporations.

Bernie: Released a comprehensive corporate accountability plan, and pledged to more stringently enforce laws aimed at corporate wrongdoing. That includes promising a criminal investigation of fossil fuel corporations for their role in climate change, as well as cracking down on corporate tax evasion.

HATE CRIMES

Trump: Almost completely halted hate crimes prosecutions, even as reported hate crimes has skyrocketed.

Bernie: Will strengthen the enforcement of federal hate crimes laws.

IMMIGRATION

Trump: Nearly doubled federal criminal prosecutions for immigration violations

Bernie: Will completely reshape and reform our immigration enforcement system, including fundamentally restructuring ICE, an agency he voted against creating; Will end the barbaric practice of family separation and detention of children in cages and dismantle cruel and inhumane deportation programs and detention centers.

DEATH PENALTY

Trump: Pushed to restart the federal death penalty and expand it.

Bernie: Will end the death penalty.
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snood
 
  4  
Reply Sat 26 Oct, 2019 12:04 pm
Trump has attacked three of the women in the Dem race: @SenGillibrand @ewarren and now @KamalaHarris with sexist and racist attacks.
But he tweeted support for @TulsiGabbard, who later appeared on Hannity to parrot GOP talking points about #impeachment.
Pay attention, Democrats.

Victoria Brownworth
@VABVOX
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Reply Sat 26 Oct, 2019 02:41 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Thruthe wondrs of modern technology, Trump didn't have to actually talk to putin to get his help in the election. All he had to d was very publicly and at ray broadcast on the news, say putin's help would be appreciated and get that help.. No actual physical or electronic contact required. ant technology grand.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 26 Oct, 2019 06:07 pm
@snood,
Nothing like an elite calling Trump sexist. Is this like the final word on that? Laughing Laughing Laughing
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Reply Sat 26 Oct, 2019 06:10 pm
@coldjoint,
By "an elite" you mean "women"?
coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Sat 26 Oct, 2019 06:24 pm
@MontereyJack,
No. It is no big deal. Who cares what she says, and who cares? It is nice to see who people listen to, it explains a lot. It is simply constant repetition so people believe it.
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Real Music
 
  1  
Reply Sun 27 Oct, 2019 07:18 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
There can be no doubt that Trump and Putin have a secret thing between them that would destroy Trump for good if it came out during his one term as president.


I also believe that to be true.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Sun 27 Oct, 2019 07:39 am
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Real Music
 
  3  
Reply Sun 27 Oct, 2019 10:14 pm
Elizabeth Warren's Plan to Invest in Rural America.

Farms are being crushed by failed Washington policies and giant agribusinesses, and many rural communities lack access to health care and fast, reliable internet. Our rural communities are being cut off from opportunities to thrive, and I have a plan to fix it.

Published August 25, 2019

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hightor
 
  3  
Reply Mon 28 Oct, 2019 05:00 am
The Most Pressing Issue for Our Next President Isn’t Medicare

The 2020 campaign is obsessed with the wrong issue.

Quote:
When Bill Clinton became president, his top legislative priority was health care. When Barack Obama became president, he first had to prevent a depression, but then he too turned to health care.

The next Democratic president should choose a different priority.

It’s still true that too many Americans suffer from inadequate or expensive insurance coverage, and the next president should certainly look to make progress on health care. But presidents must make choices. Realistically, they have to pick one or two sweeping bills to try to push through Congress in their first year.

To argue that health care should be atop the list, you can’t simply say that it is important. You need to believe that it’s so much more important than everything else — climate change, voting rights, immigration, education, wage stagnation, the unfair tax system — that health care deserves to be the Democrats’ only top priority over four decades of presidencies. All those other issues would once again take a back seat.

And that would be a mistake, because the both moral and political case for some other issues is now stronger than it is for health care.

Climate change threatens the well-being of the planet and everyone who lives on it. The next president can save more lives and better improve human health by slowing climate change than by improving health insurance.

The wounded state of American democracy is also more pressing. If it doesn’t get fixed, any expansion of health insurance could be reversed in a few years anyway. If the political system can be shored up — by guaranteeing voting rights, regulating campaign donations and granting statehood to Washington, D.C., and potentially Puerto Rico, among other things — every other national problem will become easier to address.

Unfortunately, these other issues are getting pushed to the margins in the 2020 campaign, while media attention has focused obsessively on Medicare. At every one of the six debates so far, Medicare has taken up a big chunk of the first half-hour, when the viewing audience is typically largest. In total, the candidates have spent almost 100 minutes talking about the subject onstage, more than they’ve spent on climate change, voting rights and tax policy, combined.

The good news is that some of the candidates are also frustrated by the Medicare preoccupation, based on conversations I’ve had. At a campaign stop in Iowa last week, Elizabeth Warren resorted to asking reporters if any of them wanted to ask her about education. (She could have added: Research suggests that expanding pre-K and college may do more to improve people’s health than expanding health insurance.)

Obama’s presidency shows why the choice of priorities matters so much. He rightly insisted to his aides that they not only combat the financial crisis, but also try to pass major bills on both health care and the climate. Between the two, something had to go at the front of the legislative line, and Obama picked health care.

Partly as a result, the administration ran out of time on climate. The Senate moved slowly on health care — it’s a complicated subject, as you may have heard — and by the time senators were ready to take up a climate bill, the 2010 midterms were looming. Several senators weren’t willing to take another politically risky vote.

Health care became Obama’s signature accomplishment, extending coverage to some 20 million Americans. Climate was arguably his biggest disappointment. More than a decade later, with seas rising and severe storms causing more destruction, the country can’t afford to overlook climate policy again.

The next president can reasonably expect to have time for two big early priorities (barring another financial crisis). Even without health care — and even if the Democrats retake the Senate, a precondition for almost any ambitious bill — the decision would not be easy.

Michael Linden, who runs the Groundwork Collaborative, a Washington group that advocates for a fairer economy, has a suggestion that seems right to me: One priority should be democratic reform, like voting rights. The other should be a major economic bill that increases taxes on the wealthy and spends the money helping the middle-class and poor and promoting economic growth.

This second bill would include funding for clean energy, as well as limits on pollution. Depending on the politics, it might make sense to call the bill a Green New Deal.

Regardless, the bill should be organized around more tangible, immediate benefits than either the Obama or Clinton health care plan was. Remember, the politics of health care can be miserable. Most voters are insured, and they often focus on what they might lose from a new law. That’s a big reason Democrats fared so poorly in both Obama’s and Clinton’s first midterm elections.

What should the next president do on health care? Start by looking for concrete ways to expand insurance access and reduce costs, through narrower legislation or executive action. Many of these ideas — on prescription drugs, for example — are enormously popular, polls show. A radical transformation, on the other hand, is not.

Popularity isn’t everything, of course, and I understand why the next president may still want to go for radical transformation. It just doesn’t deserve to go at the front of the line. Health care should not be the only area where Democratic presidents are willing to spend political capital.

nyt/leonhardt
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Mon 28 Oct, 2019 05:07 am
@hightor,
He makes a compelling case.
blatham
 
  3  
Reply Mon 28 Oct, 2019 05:14 am
Best part of the WS game was the rolling wave of boos "lock him up" chanting as Trump's presence announced.
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Mon 28 Oct, 2019 05:25 am
@blatham,
I suspect that some of the Medicare momentum is that it could directly give something of material value to USAmericans, something they would see as a change in their favor, much the way corporate USA embraced the Trump tax cuts. Of course there's no guarantee that the election of a Democrat (which is no sure thing) would be accompanied by the election of a Congress controlled by Democrats. In fact that's rather unlikely. And the discouraging history of the ACA doesn't give us much reason to think that it will all go swimmingly this time around. As we remember, the Democratic congress back then engaged in the worst sort of sausage-making for two years and then was promptly defeated in the 2010 election — and the rollout of the program over the next few years was a painful experience as key provisions were stripped from the bill and it was hammered and derided by right-wing media on a daily basis.
 

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