blatham
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 04:47 pm
@edgarblythe,
Don't be rude. It's a battle you'll lose.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 04:48 pm
@edgarblythe,
That was funny.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 05:25 pm
You know Biden’s down and out. You also know the polls wer intentionally skewed to throw voters off of the truth.

Per usual.

This is America 2019. A ******* corrupt dystopia.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/may/1/cnn-front-runner-poll-didnt-survey-enough-millenia/

The Democrat machine that controls the media—and now pollsters—sees the Bernie handwriting on the wall. Bernie will be elected. Watch the last dying gasps of utterly corrupt Rome.

And help us build something intelligent and responsive to the needs of the people that make this place.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 05:32 pm
@Lash,
The Washington Times again. You're about eight kinds of dolt.
Quote:
Throughout its history, The Washington Times has been known for its conservative political stance.[6][7][8][9] It has drawn controversy for publishing racist content, including commentary and conspiracy theories about United States president Barack Obama[10][11] and support for neo-Confederatism.[12] It has published material promoting Islamophobia.[13] It has published many columns which reject the scientific consensus on climate change,[14][15][16] as well as on ozone depletion[17] and on the harmful effects of second-hand smoke.[18][19]
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 05:35 pm
@blatham,
You live in your little bubble and exist on a steady diet of Talking Points — afraid to read anyone not approved by Neera Tanden.

Do you refute the claim?
snood
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 05:46 pm
@blatham,
And have you stopped beating your wife?! Confess, you damn neoliberal, Bernie-bashing, centrist-coddling wretch!
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 05:48 pm
@Lash,
You are either silly as hell or you're lying through your teeth.

1) You obviously do not know what the **** "talking points" are
2) I have no idea who Neera Tanden is
3) And the kicker - As if the Washington Times would print anything helpful to the advance of progressive policies yet you continue to use them as a means to sharpen your intellect or for another purpose that does not escape anyone on the site other than edgar.
Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 06:27 pm
Michael Tracey

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Clinton acolytes have spent the past two days trying to blame the media for distorting her comments on Tulsi. Uhhh, Hillary's own spokesperson explicitly confirmed that the comments were aimed at Tulsi. As usual, *Hillary* is somehow the victim in the situation. Pathetic
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Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 07:54 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
You know Biden’s down and out.


1. Joe Biden is not down and out.

2. Elizabeth Warren is not down and out.

3. Bernie Sanders is not down and out.

4. Polls are a snapshot in time.

5. Polls will fluctuate for each of them.

6. Yes, it is true that I have my personal preferences.

7. You can be damn sure, that I will not be voting for a third party candidate.

8. You can be damn sure, that I won't be staying home.

9. Regardless of who wins the democratic primary, I will get off my ass and vote for that person in the general election against Trump.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 09:48 pm
Of course Biden is still viable.

🌹Becca 🐾🌲👣🌎
@Becca2400
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1h
What?! Pollsters can’t manufacture actual living, breathing support?! Just two people showed up for Biden’s watch party near his campaign headquarters, and one was the Republican who hosted the party
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Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 10:03 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
They have you people spooked, knowing centrists can process just one issue at a time.


1. Are there (single issue) people out there who advocate (Medicare for all) as their only issue?

2. If so, would those people be categorized as centrists or progressives?
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Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 10:15 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Hope folks will seek out the question of Mark Zuckerberg by AOC today. Damn, that woman is impressive.


1. I AGREE.

2. AOC is quite impressive.

3. Everyone should definitely view the video.

4. That video is contained on the following thread:

https://able2know.org/topic/536877-1
snood
 
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Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2019 10:56 pm
@blatham,
Impressive is the word I keep using for AOC, as well.

Also formidable and substantial.

All that, and easy on the eyes to boot.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 24 Oct, 2019 02:06 am
@Real Music,
Biden’s toast.

He can’t get financing from actual voters, so his elitist handlers are pushing to get a super pack to override the obvious will of the people and get the corporations he’ll be serving to give him his payoffs now.

Undemocratic.

David Sirota
@davidsirota
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5h
It seems @JoeBiden is unable to raise grassroots money as he promises elite donors that nothing will fundamentally change. So now his allies may try to just buy the primary with a super PAC that can rake in unlimited cash from billionaires & corporations

Biden allies intensify push for super PAC after lackluster fundraising quarter
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 24 Oct, 2019 03:10 am
https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2019/08/wartel-bernie-or-bust

Wartel: Bernie or bust
There’s only one candidate running to win in 2020: Bernie Sanders
By Jake Wartel | 08/15/2019


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Out of all the Democratic candidates, only Sanders will attempt to create a movement capable of transforming the country
Courtesy Wikimedia Commons
Since the moment that President Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election, a large number of Americans have been primarily concerned with removing him from office. In 2020, we have the chance to evict Trump from the White House, but in order to ensure long lasting change in American society, we need a candidate that can begin reversing the last 40 years of neoliberalism, not just the damaging effects of Trump’s presidency. Despite a field of 24 candidates, there is only one presidential candidate prepared to do that — Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

One of the most pressing issues in the United States in recent years is not rump, but the rapidly diverging income of people. The erosion of unions, combined with Supreme Court decisions like Citizens United, has allowed the power of millionaires and billionaires to grow to the point where in the same country Jeff Bezos can amass over 100 billion dollars while 500,000 people will be homeless on any given night. Everything from the assault on voting rights, to the degradation of unions, to the restriction of abortion rights did not magically appear because Trump was elected. Instead, they continue because the ultra-wealthy have spent decades building the institutions and base to reap massive profits at the expense of the average American.

The task of turning the tide on 40 years of reactionary policy requires a movement of working class people capable of striking both for immediate gains and against broader corporate power. Perhaps the most contemporary example of this occurring has been in the last two years of teacher strikes around the country. Like a missing verse from “This Land is Your Land,” teachers from West Virginia to Oakland have gone on strike for both themselves and their communities, sometimes winning as much as 20 percent raises or a moratorium on charter schools.

Only Sanders is running a campaign with the explicit goal of creating a movement that can last far beyond him. Sanders has dedicated resources to drive out support for strikes around the country, making it a centerpiece of his campaign. Making working-class people the center of his campaign has meant a focus on racial injustice as well. When Bernie Sanders gave over his Instagram account to Walmart workers, he gave a platform to the largest employer of Black workers in the country. Twice in the last month, the Sanders campaign has used email lists to warn about impending ICE raids, and recently he rallied support to save Philadelphia's Hahnemann Hospital, which serves thousands of working-class and people of color every year.

Encapsulated in this view is Sanders’ own words, “The truth is that the powers that be, they are so powerful, they have so much money, that no one person, not the best president in the world, can take them on alone. The only way we transform America is when millions of people together stand up and fight back.”

This departs from other candidates. Kamala Harris’ “For the People” sounds good, but in reality, her record hardly holds up as someone fighting for working-class people. This becomes clearer when you see that Harris refuses to apologize for her role in locking up parents of kids who missed school or pursuing wrongful convictions. It’s also worth noting that she still relies on the power-fundraising efforts of wealthy people. Even when criticizing former Vice President Joe Biden for supporting segregationist busing policies, she admitted that the doesn't believe in federally mandated busing to help solve school segregation. In fact, Bernie is the most supportive of this type of federal mandate.

Biden’s brand of politics relies on courting the same people that fund Republicans, and taking the same positions as Republicans. In fact his view of what would happen once Trump leaves office the GOP would change their mind. At the center of his views are that elites are the ones who change things. It’s why he will always be closer to compromising with Republicans than fighting for important social programs.

Even Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), well to the right of Bernie but still in the left-wing of the Democratic Party, places “plans” at the center of her campaign, a notable distinction from emphasizing the power of working people.

“Having a plan” is not about leveraging working people to force progressive policy — it’s about articulating ideas. In her own words, she admits that the plans are the plan: “I think this is one of the reasons to run on plans because if I get elected on those plans, it gives me the capacity to turn around and say to my colleagues, ‘Hey that’s what I ran on, that’s what the majority of the American people voted for, that’s what they got out and fought for. So as the Democratic Party, that’s what we got to do.’”

It’s a mistake to think that just ideas are what forced progressive policy to come about in the past. The Voting Rights Act was the culmination of mass action for years, the New Deal occurred after years of massive labor unrest, and in both cases it was movements of millions of people which created change, not simply someone having a good idea.

What makes Sanders unique among the other Democratic forerunners is that he believes that there is no plan, no matter how brilliant, that will make powerful groups like the pharmaceutical or fossil fuel industries willingly concede. The world could literally end in 12 years because of climate change and companies would not change anything until they had to.

In this sense, a bust does not mean merely losing to Trump but rather failing to organize millions of people to fight for years to come. Perhaps candidates like Warren, Harris, Biden or Mayor Pete Buttegieg can defeat Trump, pass some important policies and materially change the lives of millions. However, only Sanders will attempt to create a movement capable of transforming the country. 2020 is about far more than the presidential election — it’s about a crucial choice between lasting institutional change and short-term harm reduction. This reality is why me, and thousands of people like me, will not settle for simply defeating Trump, we need to transform the face of America forever, and Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who can do it.

blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Oct, 2019 05:46 am
@Real Music,
Thanks for the link, RM! You're originating good threads, by the way.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Oct, 2019 05:48 am
@snood,
Quote:
All that, and easy on the eyes to boot.
It's true. Remember when some right wing dipshit posted video of dancing on a roof while at university? That didn't work in dipshit's favor.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Oct, 2019 06:18 am
@Lash,
There's a lot wrong with that Bernie Or Bust screed. But let's just take one key aspect:
Quote:
What makes Sanders unique among the other Democratic forerunners is that he believes that there is no plan, no matter how brilliant, that will make powerful groups like the pharmaceutical or fossil fuel industries willingly concede.


That claim is tied to another - such plans as Warren (or anyone else) develops and advances won't be effective without a massive populist uprising. There is a compelling argument in this claim, for sure (and we'll leave aside here the dangers that attend mass populist uprisings which the Trump phenomenon ought to make obvious).

But there is also another implicit (or, often, explicit) claim attached, which is that Sanders is the only individual running who can pull that off.

The problem there is that he hasn't been able to demonstrate that he can do that. Though he's been working to achieve this for some five years now, he's nowhere near achieving anything like that. He has not been able to muster more than a small minority of Dem voters to his side. Are many of them passionate? Sure. So were the supporters of Kucinich, of Ross Perot, of George Wallace, of Ralph Nader, etc.

One could say that if Sanders had full support from Dem voters and from Dem "establishment" groups and if the media all got behind him things would be different. But of course that's not going to happen for any candidate.

If Sanders gains the nomination, those of us who give a damn about America's future will support him. Likewise, if Warren or Biden succeed. But the notion that only he can plausibly create a massive populist movement that will alter America's course is a proposition that is without an evidentiary base. It's a mix of faith, passion, propaganda and delusion.
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 24 Oct, 2019 06:20 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
What excuse can be offered for the shameless Dem and liberal politicians, and pundits who have revealed, with this matter, just how devoid of principle and integrity they are? Rather than condemning the outrageous defamation of a fellow Democrat, a US congresswoman, and an armed forces veteran who joined up after 9/11...

Finn, thou doth protest too much.

It's a political contest. If the other side has better arguments, let them be heard and the 5% of the voters that even care about this crap can decide for themselves who's right or wrong.

There's no "outrageous defamation" — it's political criticism. Politicians are fair game.

Quote:
...a fellow Democrat...


There's no Reagan 11th Commandment in the Democratic Party — I thought you'd know this by now. Democrats criticize each other all the time and have since the era of Will Rogers Jr. — I thought you were better informed.

Quote:
...and an armed forces veteran who joined up after 9/11...

Cue up the wailing violins — so that makes her immune from criticism? A veteran can be wrong. A patriot can be misguided. There's nothing about serving one's country overseas that gives someone a lifetime license to spew any opinion and have it taken seriously.

edgarblythe wrote:
What Clinton is doing is reprehensible.


Only if there's some overarching and universally accepted principle which denies freedom of political speech to people we don't particularly like. Politicians attack each other all the time. I don't get the moral outrage here. At all. Listen to your unscripted president much?

blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Oct, 2019 06:29 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Quote:
...and an armed forces veteran who joined up after 9/11...


Cue up the wailing violins — so that makes her immune from criticism? A veteran can be wrong. A patriot can be misguided. There's nothing about serving one's country overseas that gives someone a lifetime license to spew any opinion and have it taken seriously.

I love this "argument" advanced by my friend Finn.

And let's note, in support of this argument, that Gabbard was never captured and tortured for years in an enemy prison camp. No loser, she.
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