Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 04:26 am
@blatham,
I don’t know a single progressive who’d vote for trump under any circumstance. You just run your mouth.

You are most definitely a Trump asset, spewing such garbage. Your entire ploy here has been to attack the liberal front runner to weaken the Democrats’s chances to win.

You’re obviously in league with the corrupt establishment, the MSM, and those who’ve elevated trump so they can work to make sure things remain as they are. Feed the war machine, say you’re a Democrat while voting for every war and making sure the pharmaceutical industry and insurance companies and prison for profit systems continue unabated.

You are a Trump asset.

I’m fighting you and your ilk as hard as I’m fighting trump and the system you created for him to thrive in.

You’re called out for what you are and what you’re doing.
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 04:38 am
@blatham,
Who voted for Jill Stein, oh brainless sycophant?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 04:41 am
@Real Music,
Why do you want black women to continue to die in increasingly high numbers in childbirth?
I’m posing this question to you, Real Music.
Of course, it’s your right to choose to answer or not to answer.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 04:43 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Maybe hatred of Hillary Clinton qualifies one as a provisional progressive.
One might even come to think that a central defining characteristic of an actual, authentic progressive.
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 04:43 am
@snood,
She started it around the time Blatham said she was a Russian asset.

So, in fact, she didn’t start it. Blatham did.

About four years ago. You didn’t notice??

But, suddenly, you notice now.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 04:47 am
@blatham,
Does AOC hate Hillary? Is AOC an authentic progressive?

Authentic progressives recognize liars and neoliberals and people who use their votes to hurt regular Americans and feed wars that kill brown people across the world.

You and Hillary Clinton are neoliberals — you are people who don’t care what you are doing to less fortunate people.

Hillary is hated by most authentic progressives—for what she does and what she stands for.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 04:51 am
@Lash,
Quote:
I don’t know a single progressive who’d vote for trump under any circumstance. You just run your mouth.
I don't either. Faux progressives in the "pro-Sanders" camp are something different.
Quote:
“Bernie or bust” is their rallying cry, and many supporters of socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., say they will vote for President Trump if their candidate is denied the Democratic nomination a second time.

After the 2016 election, the Cooperative Congressional Election Study found about 12% of those who voted for Sanders in the Democratic primaries voted for Trump in the general election. There are early signs that Sanders fervor is so strong that this could double in 2020, a development that could hand the White House to Trump for a second term.

An Emerson College poll this month showed 26% of those who support Sanders in the Democratic primaries and caucuses would support Trump over Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., despite their overlapping policy positions.

The Sanders-to-Trump inclination stems in part from the belief that the Democratic National Committee “cheated” Sanders in the bitter 2016 primary with the superdelegate system and Democratic staff bias in favor of eventual nominee Hillary Clinton. Concern over establishment control of the nomination process and other aspects of the campaign season persist among Sanders loyalists.

“If they cheat again, I have told people I will vote for Trump,” Pennsylvania resident and Sanders supporter Keith Ward, 58, told the Washington Examiner. “Not because I like him, but because if this country is going down a slippery slope, they have no one to blame but themselves ... [no] matter how much damage I believe Trump is doing.”

Ward voted for Sanders in the 2016 Democratic primary and for Green Party candidate Jill Stein in the general election. “I felt I had no choice,” he said, adding that he felt his 2016 vote would send a message. “I'm just not sure the [Democratic] Party heard it.”

Another Sanders supporter expressed a similar sentiment: “If the DNC screws him again, like it's already looking they will, I'll stay home on voting day. Hell, I may vote for Trump just to make sure their candidate loses.”
Washington Examiner
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 04:55 am
@blatham,
Another example of you trying to divide the Democrat party by attacking the front runner.

Blatham is a Trump Asset who loves the status quo.

Why do you support people dying for lack of insulin and healthcare?
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 05:01 am
@snood,
Quote:
When did [Lash] start this “You’re a Russian asset” crap?
Back a couple of pages. She quoted Greenwald who'd misrepresented what Hillary had said about Stein. HIllary said she's a Russian asset. Greenwald claimed Hillary had said she was "sent by Russia". An "asset" used this way of course can be someone or some institution unknowingly functioning in aid of Russian interests. I then said that Lash or edgar can both be described in the same manner.

Then Lash deployed her common projection response. "You're the puppet" style.
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 05:02 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Another example of you trying to divide the Democrat party by attacking the front runner.

Blatham is a Trump Asset who loves the status quo.

There it is again.

Edit: Note as well her "by attacking the front runner". Which I've never done.
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 05:06 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Another example of you trying to divide the Democrat party by attacking the front runner.

Blatham is a Trump Asset who loves the status quo.

There it is again.

Here it is again!!

Read all about it!

Get rid of trump and also sweep away the Neoliberal Democrats who are responsible for his presidency.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/10/trump-neoliberal-democratic-party-america

Excerpt:

Amid an upsurge of populist energy that has alarmed the Democratic establishment, a new wave of left-leaning insurgents have been using Democratic primaries to wage a fierce war on the party’s corporate wing. And, as in past presidential primary battles, many Democratic consultants, politicians and pundits have insisted that the party must prioritize unity and resist grassroots pressure to support a more forceful progressive agenda.

Not surprisingly, much of that analysis comes from those with career stakes in the status quo. Their crude attempts to stamp out any dissent or intraparty discord negates a stark truth: liberal America’s pattern of electing corporate Democrats – rather than progressives – has been a big part of the problem that led to Trump and that continues to make America’s economic and political system a neo-feudal dystopia.


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Dislodging those corporate Democrats, then, is not some counterproductive distraction – it is a critical front in the effort to actually make America great again.

Right now, there are eight blue states where Democrats control the governorship and the legislature, and five other blue states where Democrats have often had as much or more legislative power than Republicans. These states, plus myriad cities under Democratic rule, collectively oversee one of the planet’s largest economies. Laws enacted in these locales can set national and global standards, and in the process, concretely illustrate a popular progressive agenda. Such an agenda in liberal America could rebrand the Democratic party as an entity that is actually serious about challenging the greed of the 1%, fighting corruption, and making day-to-day life better for the 99%.
——————
Your time is up, neoliberal.
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 05:16 am
@blatham,
The way you conduct yourself politically created Trump’s playground. You never acknowledged that Hillary Clinton used her significant resources to put Trump in the Oval Office. You never considered the role corporate democrats have played in the collapse of this country.

You continue to play your role. You are incapable of self-reflection and change.

Trump is on you.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 05:21 am
Carmen Yulin Cruz is taking Bernie’s case to CBS. I really am glad she’s on our side. She said she wasn’t a Bernie fan until he went to Puerto Rico after the hurricane without cameras to see how he could help.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 05:23 am
@Lash,
That Guardian opinion piece is by David Sirota who is, of course, senior advisor and speechwriter for the Sanders campaign.
Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 05:30 am
@blatham,
Who speaks the truth—as millions of voting, activist Democrats and former democrats will attest.

This is the voice you need to familiarize yourself with because it is your future.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 06:01 am
@Real Music,
I finally exposed Real Music for the Trump Asset he is, ensuring Trump gets another four years by fighting against the only real liberal in the race. Elizabeth Warren was a Republican until she was almost 50. She continually switches back and forth on desperately important policies, and we know she’ll drop all pretense of helping people with unaffordable healthcare and predatory student loans.

Liz gave trump a standing ovation when he alluded in a speech to the USA never allowing us to have Medicare for All. I watched it. And you and she have the unmitigated gall to lie in people’s faces and say she’ll fight for Medicare for All??

You are just another standing ovation for Donald Trump. I’ve exposed you for what you truly are.

blatham
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 06:30 am
@Lash,
Quote:
I finally exposed Real Music for the Trump Asset he is
Good grief.

A few years back, I had a bit of an epiphany while watching Bush Jr addressing the press in front of the WH. It was towards the end of his second term while at the same time Obama was regularly speaking to citizens and to gathering of reporters.

I don't recall just what Bush was saying or trying to "explain" but his style was oddly pedantic and awkwardly self-certain. Oddly and awkwardly because it was evident that most of the reporters were both smarter and more educated than Bush on whatever he was speaking about. I realized that Bush's cognitive frame of reference was that the people he was speaking to were as dumb and unsophisticated as he was. It was a form of projection (though one could not miss his underlying lack of self-confidence in the mix as well).

And I recognized at that same moment that Obama's style of address to others was very different. Obama spoke to people from a similar cognitive frame - that others were something like his equal. But in this case, that they were smart and sophisticated and capable of handling complex and nuanced ideas.

Perhaps it can be intuited why I've brought this up here...
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 06:31 am
Trump Campaign Floods Web With Ads, Raking In Cash as Democrats Struggle
Quote:
On any given day, the Trump campaign is plastering ads all over Facebook, YouTube and the millions of sites served by Google, hitting the kind of incendiary themes — immigrant invaders, the corrupt media — that play best on platforms where algorithms favor outrage and political campaigns are free to disregard facts.

Even seemingly ominous developments for Mr. Trump become fodder for his campaign. When news broke last month that congressional Democrats were opening an impeachment inquiry, the campaign responded with an advertising blitz aimed at firing up the president’s base.

The campaign slapped together an “Impeachment Poll” (sample question: “Do you agree that President Trump has done nothing wrong?”). It invited supporters to join the Official Impeachment Defense Task Force (“All you need to do is DONATE NOW!”). It produced a slick video laying out the debunked conspiracy theory about former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Ukraine that is now at the center of the impeachment battle (“Learn the truth. Watch Now!”).

The onslaught overwhelmed the limited Democratic response. Mr. Biden’s campaign put up the stiffest resistance: It demanded Facebook take down the ad, only to be rebuffed. It then proceeded with plans to slash its online advertising budget in favor of more television ads.

That campaigns are now being fought largely online is hardly a revelation, yet only one political party seems to have gotten the message. While the Trump campaign has put its digital operation firmly at the center of the president’s re-election effort, Democrats are struggling to internalize the lessons of the 2016 race and adapt to a political landscape shaped by social media.

Mr. Trump’s first campaign took far better advantage of Facebook and other platforms that reward narrowly targeted — and, arguably, nastier — messages. And while the president is now embattled on multiple fronts and disfavored by a majority of Americans in most polls, he has one big advantage: His 2020 campaign, flush with cash, is poised to dominate online again, according to experts on both ends of the political spectrum, independent researchers and tech executives. The difference between the parties’ digital efforts, they said, runs far deeper than the distinction between an incumbent’s general-election operation and challengers’ primary campaigns.

The Trump team has spent the past three years building out its web operation. As a sign of its priorities, the 2016 digital director, Brad Parscale, is now leading the entire campaign. He is at the helm of what experts described as a sophisticated digital marketing effort, one that befits a relentlessly self-promoting candidate who honed his image, and broadcast it into national consciousness, on reality television.

The campaign under Mr. Parscale is focused on pushing its product — Mr. Trump — by churning out targeted ads, aggressively testing the content and collecting data to further refine its messages. It is selling hats, shirts and other gear, a strategy that yields yet more data, along with cash and, of course, walking campaign billboards.

“We see much less of that kind of experimentation with the Democratic candidates,” said Laura Edelson, a researcher at New York University who tracks political advertising on Facebook. “They’re running fewer ads. We don’t see the wide array of targeting.”

The Trump campaign, she said, “is like a supercar racing a little Volkswagen Bug.”

The Democrats would be the Volkswagen. The are largely running what other experts and political operatives compared to brand-loyalty campaigns, trying to sway moderates and offend as few people as possible, despite mounting research that suggests persuasion ads have little to no impact on voters in a general election.

The candidates, to be sure, are collectively spending more on Facebook and Google than on television and are trying to target their ads — Mr. Biden’s tend to be seen by those born before 1975, for instance, while Senator Bernie Sanders’s are aimed at those born later. But without the same level of message testing and data collection, the Democrats’ efforts are not nearly as robust as Mr. Trump’s.

Democratic digital operatives say the problem is a party dominated by an aging professional political class that is too timid in the face of a fiercely partisan Republican machine. The Biden campaign’s decision to tack from digital to television, they say, is only the most glaring example of a party hung up on the kind of broad-based advertising that played well in the television age but fares poorly on social media.

The digital director of a prominent Democratic presidential campaign recounted how he was shut down by an older consultant when pressing for shorter, pithier ads that could drive clicks. “We don’t need any of your cinéma vérité clickbait,” the consultant snapped, according to the digital director, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid risking his job.

Other digital consultants and campaign officials told similar stories, and complained that the Democratic establishment was too focused on winning over imagined moderates, instead of doing what the Trump campaign has done: firing up its base.

“It’s true that anodyne messaging doesn’t turn anyone off. But it doesn’t turn them on either,” said Elizabeth Spiers, who runs the Insurrection, a progressive digital strategy and polling firm.

Republicans are “not messaging around unity and civility, because those things don’t mobilize people,” Ms. Spiers said, adding that while everyone may want to live in a less divided country, “nobody takes time off work, gets in their car and drives to the polls to vote specifically for that.”

Far more than any other platform, Facebook is the focus for digital campaign spending, and it is in many ways even friendlier turf for Mr. Trump’s campaign than in 2016.

Since then, many younger, more liberal users have abandoned the platform in favor of Instagram, Snapchat and various private messaging apps, while older users — the type most likely to vote Republican — are still flocking to Facebook in droves. People over 65 now make up Facebook’s fastest-growing population in the United States, doubling their use of the platform since 2011, according to Gallup.

In a speech this year in Romania, Mr. Parscale recalled telling his team before the 2016 election that Facebook would allow the campaign to reach the “lost, forgotten people of America” with messages tailored to their interests.

“Millions of Americans, older people, are on the internet, watching pictures of their kids because they all moved to cities,” Mr. Parscale said. “If we can connect to them, we can change this election.”

Facebook also favors the kind of emotionally charged content that Mr. Trump’s campaign has proved adept at creating. Campaigns buy Facebook ads through an automated auction system, with each ad receiving an “engagement rate ranking” based on its predicted likelihood of being clicked, shared or commented on. The divisive themes of Mr. Trump’s campaign tend to generate more engagement than Democrats’ calmer, more policy-focused appeals. Often, the more incendiary the campaign, the further its dollars go.

Provocative ads also get shared more often, creating an organic boost that vaults them even further ahead of less inflammatory messages.

“There’s an algorithmic bias that inherently benefits hate and negativity and anger,” said Shomik Dutta, a digital strategist and a founder of Higher Ground Labs, an incubator for Democratic start-ups. “If anger has an algorithmic bias, then Donald Trump is the captain of that ship.”

A Facebook spokeswoman disputed the notion that ads got more visibility just because they were negative, and noted that users were able to flag offending ads for possible removal.

The company, since the 2016 election, has invested heavily to prevent Russian-style interference campaigns. It has built up its security and fact-checking teams, staffed a “war room” during key elections and changed its rules to crack down on misinformation and false news.

But it has left a critical loophole: Facebook’s fact-checking rules do not apply to political ads, letting candidates spread false or misleading claims. That has allowed Mr. Trump’s campaign to show ads that traditional TV networks have declined to air.

One recent video from the Trump campaign said that Mr. Biden had offered Ukraine $1 billion in aid if it killed an investigation into a company tied to his son. The video’s claims had already been debunked, and CNN refused to play it. But Facebook rejected the Biden campaign’s demand to take the ad down, arguing that it did not violate its policies.

At last count, the video has been viewed on the social network more than five million times.

In the wake of the 2016 election, some on the left sought an explanation for Mr. Trump’s victory in the idea that his campaign had used shadowy digital techniques inspired by military-style psychological warfare — a “Weaponized AI Propaganda Machine,” as one article described it — created by the defunct political consulting firm Cambridge Analytica. The theories around Cambridge Analytica have never been fully demonstrated, however, and there is a far less nefarious explanation: The Trump campaign simply made better use of standard commercial marketing tools, particularly Facebook’s own high-powered targeting products.

An internal Facebook report written after the 2016 election noted that both the Trump and Clinton campaigns spent heavily on Facebook — $44 million for Mr. Trump versus $28 million for Hillary Clinton. “But Trump’s FB campaigns were more complex,” the memo said, and were better at using Facebook to bring in donations and find new voters. For instance, roughly 84 percent of the Trump ads focused on getting voters to take an action, such as donating, the report said. Only about half of Mrs. Clinton’s did.

At the same time, the Trump campaign sought to tailor its ads more precisely to specific voters, the report said, with a typical Trump message targeted at 2.5 million people, compared with eight million for the Clinton campaign. And the Trump team simply made more unique ads — 5.9 million versus 66,000.

“We were making hundreds of thousands” of variations on similar ads, Mr. Parscale told “60 Minutes” last year. “Changing language, words, colors.”

The idea, he said, was to find “what is it that makes it go, ‘Poof! I’m going to stop and look.’”

For the left, the Trump campaign’s mastery of social media in 2016 represented a sharp reversal. From the blogs of the mid-aughts to Netroots Nation, the digital activists who helped propel Barack Obama to victory in 2008 and 2012, the left was seen as the dominant digital force. The Democrats had an array of tech-savvy campaign veterans who were adept at data mining and digital organizing, and had overseen the creation of a handful of well-resourced digital consulting firms.

Starting with the 2016 primaries, the Trump campaign reversed the trend. While the more traditionally minded Republican operatives signed on to work for the party’s more traditional candidates, such as Jeb Bush, the Trump campaign found itself reliant on “the outliers, and a lot of them truly believed in digital,” said Zac Moffatt, chief executive of Targeted Victory, a Republican digital strategy firm. “It was a changing of the guard, strategically.”

The Republicans’ 2020 operation — with more than $150 million in cash on hand, according to the latest filings — appears to have picked up where it left off.

The Trump campaign’s intense testing of ads is one example. It posts dozens of variations of almost every ad to figure which plays best. Do voters respond better to a blue button or a green one? Are they more likely to click if its says “donate” or “contribute”? Will they more readily cough up cash for an impeachment defense fund or an impeachment defense task force?

The president’s re-election effort is also making use of strategies common in the e-commerce world, such as “zero touch” merchandise sales. T-shirts, posters and other paraphernalia are printed on demand and sent directly to buyers, with the campaign not required to make bulk orders or risk unsold inventory. Sales of these items amount to a lucrative source of campaign fund-raising, and the zero-touch technique allows the campaign to move fast — it was able to start selling T-shirts that say “get over it” a day after the president’s acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, told reporters to do just than when it came to Ukraine.

Perhaps most important, the Trump campaign is spending to make sure people see its ads, emails, texts, tweets and other content. In the week the impeachment inquiry was announced, for instance, the campaign spent nearly $2.3 million on Facebook and Google ads, according to data compiled by Acronym, a progressive digital strategy organization that tracks campaign spending. That is roughly four to five times what it spent on those platforms in previous weeks, and about half of what most Democratic front-runners have spent on Facebook and Google advertising over the entire course of their campaigns.

The president’s team has also invested heavily in YouTube, buying ads and counterprogramming his opponents. In June, during the first Democratic primary debates, the Trump campaign bought the YouTube “masthead” — a large ad that runs at the top of the site’s home page and can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per day — to ensure that debate viewers would see it.

The Trump campaign “is always re-upping their ad buy. As soon as an ad runs out, another one goes in,” Ms. Edelson said, adding, “No one is waiting for next month’s marketing budget to kick in.”

Democrats are struggling to match more than the sheer volume of content coming out of the Trump campaign. Interviews with Democratic consultants and experts revealed a party deeply hesitant to match the Trump campaign’s intense and often angry partisan approach.

Most of the Democratic Party is “not even fighting last year’s war — the war that they’re fighting is 2012,” said David Goldstein, chief executive of Tovo Labs, a progressive digital consulting firm.

Mr. Goldstein offered an instructive anecdote from the 2018 midterm elections. That spring, Tovo signed on to do online fund-raising for Andrew Gillum, the Democratic candidate for governor in Florida. Tovo wanted to build on the work it had done the year before in Alabama, where it claimed to have depressed Republican turnout by running ads that showcased conservatives who opposed the far-right Senate candidate Roy Moore. The ads did not say they were being run by supporters of the eventual Democratic winner, Doug Jones.

Mr. Goldstein hoped to bring the same edge to Mr. Gillum’s campaign and came up with ads that “were really aggressive.”

“We wanted to provoke people,” he said.

One was a particularly buffoonish caricature of Mr. Trump holding the world in his palm. “As Florida goes in 2018, so goes the White House in 2020,” read the tagline.

The ad was aimed at far-left voters deemed most likely to be motivated by the prospect of pushing Mr. Trump from office, and the response rate was high, Mr. Goldstein said. But a few days after it went up, the campaign manager saw it and “freaked out.”

“This is entirely unacceptable,” the campaign manager, Brendan McPhillips, wrote in an email on April 6, 2018.

In Mr. Goldstein’s telling, the campaign manager feared offending voters whom Mr. Gillum hoped to sway. Mr. McPhillips was not mollified when Tovo explained that the ad was targeted only at voters thought to be deeply anti-Trump. He wanted ads that were focused on his candidate, not produced to elicit an emotional response with images the campaign considered crass.

Mr. McPhillips ordered Tovo to immediately stop running the ads. He said Tovo could only use images approved by the campaign. Tovo left soon thereafter.

The approved images — “standard glamour shots of the candidate” — would work for a newspaper ad or television spot, Mr. Goldstein said, but were not “going to drive clicks and provoke people to take action.”

Mr. Gillum narrowly lost the race.

nyt

Some lessons here.

Incumbency brings great advantage to a candidate.

As do bottomless pockets, bad taste, and a questionable grasp of the truth.
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 06:45 am
@hightor,
"I have seen the future. It is murder."
Quote:
Some lessons here.
Incumbency brings great advantage to a candidate.
As do bottomless pockets, bad taste, and a questionable grasp of the truth.
Yes. I'll add one other. In terms of marketing techniques, the right has a natural advantage in that such techniques are constantly being honed by large, rich and powerful business entities (what Bush referred to at a fundraiser as his "real base") so as to increase market share and profits.

Social workers, teachers, nurses, atmospheric scientists, artists, philosophy professors etc do not have reason to engage marketing in that way.
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 20 Oct, 2019 06:55 am
@blatham,
PS... It's worthwhile to listen to Jon Ronson's discussions at Ted Talks on psychopaths/sociopaths and the increased frequency of this set of personality factors among CEOs.
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