blatham
 
  1  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 06:30 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
That's a good point. Every time I've heard someone referring to the "resistance" it's coming from a rightist. I'd assumed that the term had been appropriated by some rump element in the progressive movement, but yeah, it makes more sense if it's another case of right-wing disinformation.

Progressives — do any of you refer to yourselves as the "resistance"?
It is possible that some on the left use the term as a self-identifier but even if so, there's nothing untoward or inappropriate in such usage. It merely suggests an explicit oppositional stance to some political phenomenon, eg Trumpism or abortion on demand or any such. I mean, it is not as if Republicans refrained from resisting a Hillary presidency.

And your certainly correct in noting that the usage of the term is almost exclusively to be found in right wing media. They do this over and over, the strategy being to frame the discourse (more specifically, to frame groups of Dems) in a particular and negative manner. Truth, accuracy etc are irrelevant.

And then we see right wing folks here and elsewhere absorb this usage with little or no critical thought and then toss it out as if they have a grasp on something important. It is, as you say, disinformation.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 06:31 pm
@revelette1,
I know it was the best they could get, under the circumstances. True justice would be to put the man in prison, PLUS reorganize that police department to root out such bad behavior.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 06:37 pm
@snood,
Quote:
This is a link to a video on Twitter showing a recent “selfie line” for Elizabeth Warren. The people at the back said they would wait until 2AM. There’s definitely some enthusiasm out there for Warren.
This is a regular phenomenon. In some instance, she's done this for 3 hour periods.
1) she clearly gives a damn about people
2) this is a level of stamina few can match

Now, try to imagine what response a Trump adviser would get if he/she suggested to Trump that he take selfies with ordinary citizens for 10 minutes.
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 06:40 pm
Warren is hitchhiking on Sanders programs but can't be counted on to work for them if elected.
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 06:56 pm
@edgarblythe,
Sorry Edgar. I see no good reason to imaging that Bernie supporters are uniquely capable of comprehending reality.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 08:00 pm
@blatham,
Warren stood and applauded Trump for dissing socialism. Now she is shadowing Sanders socialist positions. She is two-faced, a reality easy to see if you take off the blinders.
edgarblythe
 
  0  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 08:03 pm
@edgarblythe,
She didn't see this "reality" until she announced for president.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 08:16 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
The choke hold lasted only a few seconds, only while Mr. Garner was bucking and trying to fling him off his back.


So you finally admit it was an illegal choke hold and not a "seat belt maneuver." Good to know you can tell right from wrong.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 08:31 pm
@neptuneblue,
An illegal choke hold? Which statute makes a choke hold a crime?

It started off as a seat belt maneuver before Mr. Garner started bucking and lurching around.

I acknowledge that Officer Pantaleo's arm was locked around Mr. Garner's neck for seven seconds after he started bucking and lurching around. I think that probably constitutes a choke hold, but I'm not an expert in the subject.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 08:32 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
True justice would be to put the man in prison

Putting innocent people in prison is not justice.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 08:35 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
The video seems to show a very large black man passively holding up his hands, however, the officer in question was situated behind him and below his shoulders. We don't know what actions Garner took before the video started running.

I think you've seen an edited video. The full video starts well before the physical confrontation.

Try this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x30s2lp

The arrest begins about 4 minutes and 30 seconds.

Officer Pantaleo begins to tackle Mr. Garner (the seat belt maneuver) at about 4 minutes and 36 seconds.

At 4 minutes and 43 seconds you can't see much because another cop (with a "D. D. " on his back) is in the the way of the camera. But just to the left of that officer, you can barely see Officer Pantaleo's right arm move up to lock his other arm in place.

At 4 minutes and 49 seconds Officer Pantaleo releases his right arm and reaches for Mr. Garner's hand.


Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Where the police have come under intense fire (e.g. Baltimore) they've pulled back and crime has surged...

The police in NYC are already pulling back it seems.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-bratton-chimes-in-on-pantaleo-decision-20190820-xs4vvw5zp5hozigwinqebhmcfa-story.html
neptuneblue
 
  3  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 08:41 pm
@oralloy,
Come on, you already know this. Why you're denying it now is obstinate.


https://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/24/nyregion/kelly-bans-choke-holds-by-officers.html
oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 08:46 pm
@neptuneblue,
If this is in regard to my query about which statute bans choke holds, I saw nothing in that article about choke holds being against the law.
snood
 
  3  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 08:53 pm
@oralloy,
Are you saying you don’t know if what we saw being applied to Eric Gardner in the video was an illegal chokehold?
neptuneblue
 
  4  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 08:53 pm
@oralloy,
It's not against the law. It is against NYPD policy. And Panteleo is correctly fired for going against SOP.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nyc-police-chokeholds_n_6272000
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 09:01 pm
@neptuneblue,
We'll see if the courts agree that it was proper to fire him.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 09:02 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
Are you saying you don’t know if what we saw being applied to Eric Gardner in the video was an illegal chokehold?

I'm not an expert, but it does look like he was choked for seven seconds.

It seems pretty unlikely that this was illegal.
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snood
 
  2  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 09:40 pm
@neptuneblue,
Sorry, I’m wrong about that. There are initiatives to make the chokehold illegal, but you’re right as of now it’s just local policy.
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snood
 
  2  
Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 10:22 pm
Know what I wish? I wish we could all go on and somehow zealously support the candidate of our choice for the primaries, without having to tear down the other Dems and their supporters. Maybe I’m just sleepy, but after a prolonged Twitter argument with a Bernie supporter just now, we finally decided that ‘Screw it - if we’re both going to support whoever wins the primary, that’s positive.’ If we can’t persuade each other that our candidate is better on their merits, what’s the point of tearing at the others in the primary race?

I’ll probably wake up tomorrow and feel motivated to take shots at Bernie or Tulsi and their followers.

But for tonight I say go on and fall in love in the primaries. Just fall in line in the general. Our lives; our planet depends on it. Vote blue no matter who.
revelette1
 
  5  
Reply Wed 21 Aug, 2019 06:42 am
@snood,
Quote:
Vote blue no matter who


Great bumper sticker, better than any I've come across.
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