Lash
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 08:20 pm
Warren Gunnels
@GunnelsWarren
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1h
Middle Ground on Climate Change = Uninhabitable Planet

Middle Ground on Healthcare = 30K+ Die Each Year

Middle Ground on Wall Street = Multi-Trillion Bailouts

Middle Ground on Social Security = Work Until You Drop Dead

Middle Ground on Housing = 553K homeless

#NoMiddleGround

#NoMiddleGround trending #1
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jun, 2019 08:26 pm
@RABEL222,
I agree. I'm crossing out the old version and adding yours!
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livinglava
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jun, 2019 07:56 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Middle Ground on Climate Change = Uninhabitable Planet

Green New Deal would create lots of jobs for people to get together and talk about change, which would then be blocked by people in positions of technical expertise, who would say the changes were unfeasible. In the process, all the people in the meetings would be getting paid and buying new cars, new places to live, running lots of heat and a/c, and going shopping for new stuff with their money, not to mention traveling to conferences, etc. all of what would add to resource/climate problems.

Quote:
Middle Ground on Healthcare = 30K+ Die Each Year

Look at what happened with ACA: individual mandate to buy insurance caused investors to forecast bigger revenues in insurance industry, so they invested more and stock prices rose causing the stock market generally to grow. Rising stock market = intensifying rat race where people compete harder for access to the scarce privileges of health care and pharmaceutical medicine, whose prices went up.

The only way to have universal health care without it causing runaway inflation and other economic problems is to make it cheaper and eliminate barriers to lower-cost providers entering markets. Bills have been put forth that would require pharmaceuticals to charge the same in the US as elsewhere in the world, but Dems are against that because charging more in the US is how the pharmaceuticals fund global socialist redistribution schemes.

Quote:
Middle Ground on Social Security = Work Until You Drop Dead

Middle Ground on Housing = 553K homeless

In general, costs of living, housing, etc. have been driven up by undisciplined borrowing/spending in the economy. Many legal and illegal purchases/investments are responsible for undermining fiscal discipline that leads to price spirals in everything from housing to healthcare.

The current war on trafficking and sex (e.g. #metoo, abortion restrictions) will have a positive effect if significant numbers of people are deterred from engaging in economic activities predicated on abuse of drugs and sex, as such activities are very wasteful and undermine fiscal discipline in all the markets where people throw away their futures to intensify their pleasure in the present moment.

As the social-cultural economy embraced more conservative values that involve less spending and waste, the rest of the economy and social programs should become more manageable, i.e. because there won't be massive leaks in the system that allow for abuses, including economy-wide spending at levels that aren't sustainable, which is itself an abuse of resources that hurts the economy and environment(al) sustainability.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jun, 2019 01:05 pm
Bernie most popular among Hispanics!!

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/06/bernie-sanders-latino-hispanic-voters/?amp=1
revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 08:39 am
@Lash,
I clicked on the link, I am having trouble finding the Morning Consult poll from the Intercept. When I clicked on the link embedded in the Intercept it takes you to The Hill with a poll of young voters conducted by the Morning Consult in April. I searched the Morning Consult and I can't figure out how to find the polls there.

https://morningconsult.com/washington/
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revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 09:04 am
I did find a place to sign up to read the latest polls in pdf format. It has a lot of interesting polls. However, still didn't find the poll Intercept said came from Morning Consult. I am probably missing it. Perhaps it was an earlier one.

https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Political-Intelligence-6.3.19.pdf

Warren is getting ahead in polls recently, I am impressed with her. However, according the above, she has a high unfavorable ratings as well.

livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 09:11 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Warren is getting ahead in polls recently, I am impressed with her. However, according the above, she has a high unfavorable ratings as well.

Probably because she is a bull-spend liberal.

What kind of fear-effect do you think it has on people who are trying to protect what little money they have when all the Democrats are sparring over how to raise wages, stimulate green growth, etc.

People don't want to lose the little money they have managed to save up to inflation.

What has Warren or any other Democrat said with regards to stopping and/or reversing inflation?

They simply don't care about small money, only big money.

They drive the inflationary rat-race until people lose their savings and go into debt, and then they use the position of debt people have been forced into to get them to support more inflation-driven wage-raises in hopes of being able to pay off their debts more easily.

That doesn't work because people just get driven deeper and deeper into debt as more people's savings keeps getting thrown into economic circulation due to inflation.

Taxing the rich to give to the poor only works in Robin Hood. In reality, it just causes inflation that ends up benefiting investors and hurting the poor.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 09:18 am
@revelette1,
I still prefer Sanders, but I like Warren a lot as well. The "unfavorable rating" may be linked to the native american story, which I personally see as irrelevant to anything.
revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 11:47 am
@Olivier5,
It actually makes no matter to me who ends up the winner of democrat primary, I'll support whoever seems likely to win at the time and vote for him or her. Would really like to see a woman win the primary and then the President. Would make up for having Trump as President in my book. So I guess I am leaning towards Warren.
livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 11:54 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

It actually makes no matter to me who ends up the winner of democrat primary, I'll support whoever seems likely to win at the time and vote for him or her. Would really like to see a woman win the primary and then the President. Would make up for having Trump as President in my book. So I guess I am leaning towards Warren.

This is of course completely unlikely to happen anytime soon, but I'm curious how you would feel if a transgender candidate would become the first woman president? Would that satisfy your desire to see a woman in the office, or would you want to see a biological female first?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 11:59 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
I am leaning towards Warren.

She seems like a fine candidate to me. Smart, knowledgeable, humble yet no pushover. Politically her heart is in the right place but she's a bit inexperienced. Economically she's better equipped than Sanders, I think. Not sure she could dispose of Trump in a TV debate (or more generally in the campaign) as effectively as Sanders would, though.
Lash
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 02:41 pm
Bernie Sanders
@BernieSanders
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1h
We are the strongest campaign to defeat Trump, not only in Michigan but in other battleground states. Trump will not be defeated unless Democrats run a campaign of energy, excitement and a large voter turnout.

We are that campaign
Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 02:51 pm
@Lash,
It doesn't matter if Sanders doesn't get the nod at the Democratic National Convention or if they shove a lackluster performance or poor campaigner out front.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 03:12 pm
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:

revelette1 wrote:

It actually makes no matter to me who ends up the winner of democrat primary, I'll support whoever seems likely to win at the time and vote for him or her. Would really like to see a woman win the primary and then the President. Would make up for having Trump as President in my book. So I guess I am leaning towards Warren.

This is of course completely unlikely to happen anytime soon, but I'm curious how you would feel if a transgender candidate would become the first woman president? Would that satisfy your desire to see a woman in the office, or would you want to see a biological female first?

Why the down vote? It was a sincere question.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 03:21 pm
@livinglava,
You have no proof the downvoting was from revelette1. It was at least 2 people (so far) and maybe neither was the one you accuse.

Responding on my own, I'd have no problem with a transgender person becoming President. My requirement is that they know and comprehend the Constitution (unlike the current President) and how to be respectful of all (again, unlike the current President).

That combined with an understanding of how to govern and lead the country in a positive direction are my essential starting spots.
livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 03:54 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

You have no proof the downvoting was from revelette1. It was at least 2 people (so far) and maybe neither was the one you accuse.

Responding on my own, I'd have no problem with a transgender person becoming President. My requirement is that they know and comprehend the Constitution (unlike the current President) and how to be respectful of all (again, unlike the current President).

That combined with an understanding of how to govern and lead the country in a positive direction are my essential starting spots.

I wasn't asking whether it would bother anyone to have a transgender president. I really don't care if it would bother anyone.

I was specifically asking Revelette because she expressed a wish for a woman president. I was merely curious whether a transgender woman would fulfill that wish for her, or whether she could only be satisfied by a biologically female person.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 07:18 pm
@Olivier5,
What’s your opinion of Kamala Harris?
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snood
 
  1  
Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 07:20 pm
I don’t see much discussion here about Kamala Harris. I think she’s got a lot to offer.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2019 07:51 pm
@snood,
Quote:
I think she’s got a lot to offer.

So did Willie Brown.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2019 02:48 am
@snood,
Tell us all about her, then. She's got a visibility deficit.
 

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