maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 11:15 am
@revelette1,
Thanks Rev.

I am becoming more frustrated with these types of summaries.

Mostly because they don't have anything to do with the realities of government. I can come out and say that if you elect me, I'm going to cure cancer and that'd be more realistic than Bernie Sanders medicare for all plan passing in 2020.
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maporsche
 
  3  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 11:18 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

If your right, then I wish some these contenders would get out of the way so she could do it. We have too many in the field, we need to mow it down a little.


There is plenty of time for that Rev. The first elections are still 9/10 months away. We haven't even had any debates yet.

If we don't start to get a narrower field by November I'll begin to make the same calls you are.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 11:23 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Heather Heyer

Killed by a statue lover, no doubt.
nimh
 
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Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 11:41 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Back to your post, I'm wondering that even if people age out of the electorate, what number of people as they age into those demographics will become more conservative?

Relevant link:

How Birth Year Influences Political Views

You can track how people born into a certain years changed their voting patterns over the years (up through 2014).
maporsche
 
  2  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 11:45 am
@nimh,
VERY interesting chart.
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Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 11:51 am
Second attack on Biden from Warren.

'
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) took a swipe at fellow 2020 presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden on Friday over a “swanky private fundraiser” he attended following the announcement of his candidacy.

Warren's comments came in a fundraising email sent to supporters asking for donations after Biden announced a staggering $6.3 million fundraising haul within the first 24 hours of launching his campaign.

Warren, who has eschewed donations from corporate PACs and lobbyists, highlighted a fundraiser Biden attended that was hosted by Comcast executive David Cohen and health insurance executive Daniel Hilferty.

“In the first 24 hours of his presidential campaign (welcome to the race!), Joe Biden raised $6.3 million,” Warren wrote. “How did Joe Biden raise so much money in one day? Well, it helps that he hosted a swanky private fundraiser for wealthy donors at the home of the guy who runs Comcast's lobbying shop.” '

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/440917-warren-swipes-at-biden-for-swanky-private-fundraiser
georgeob1
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 12:18 pm
@Brand X,
It appears that our Democrat friends also have their favored corporate donors. Gosh !

I suspect Elizabeth Warren here is making a virtue out of necessity. No one responsible for operating a business that satisfies its customers and makes a return on invested capital, would consciously vote for this pseudo native American who enjoyed a privileged status for decades, based on a lie.
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 12:51 pm
@georgeob1,
Would you consider voting for Biden? (I’m thinking he may appeal to maybe the same Republicans that Clinton attracted.)
revelette1
 
  2  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 12:57 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
I'm sorry. That's just my failure to write clearly.

Let's take appointed judges. The present strategy of the Federalist Society and Republicans generally is to nominate the most right wing candidate they can find who also is young. So they are pushing their control out into the future and past the life expectancy of baby boomers. And the Federalist Society isn't going to go away because it will continue to be financed by right wing business entities and their leadership will be populated by those entities choices or preferences. And again, a major preference will be youthful candidates.

So it seems to me that the simple ticking of the clock won't be sufficient. We must somehow dismantle the present allocations of power, returning it to the people so much as that can be managed through sticking together and crushing Republicans in elections. Hoping that makes sense.


It makes perfect sense and unfortunately quite depressingly daunting.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 12:59 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:

Back to your post, I'm wondering that even if people age out of the electorate, what number of people as they age into those demographics will become more conservative?


I have no idea but a good study.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 01:13 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Quote:
Re: Lash (Post 6832821)
Quote:
Heather Heyer


Killed by a statue lover, no doubt.

I guess each of us has to make some attribution for why Lash is pushing the Trump/right wing falsification of events at the Unite The Right rally. But that is exactly what she's doing. The wikipedia entry on this event is very thorough and well-documented. There weren't "very fine people on both sides". There was an organized and promoted march by very unfine people and there was a counter-protest to the march that everyone in the city (and elsewhere) were aware of. The anti-Semitic theme ran through the entire demonstration by Unite the Right. Heather Heyer was among the counter-protesters after the rally was aborted. Beside her, 19 others were injured by the automobile driven by James Fields Jr, a white supremacist. The quotes below are mere exerpts.
Quote:
The Unite the Right rally, also known as the Charlottesville rally or Charlottesville riots,[4] was a white supremacist[5][6][7][8] rally that occurred in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.[9][10] Protesters were members of the far-right and included self-identified members of the alt-right,[11] neo-Confederates,[12] neo-fascists,[13] white nationalists,[14] neo-Nazis,[15] Klansmen,[16] and various militias.[17] The marchers chanted racist and antisemitic slogans, carried semi-automatic rifles, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols (such as the swastika, Odal rune, Black Sun, and Iron Cross), the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus Vult crosses, flags and other symbols of various past and present anti-Muslim and antisemitic groups.[18][8][9][19][20][21][22] Within the Charlottesville area, the rally is often known as A12[23] or 8/12.[24] The organizers' stated goals included unifying the American white nationalist movement[11] and to oppose removing a statue of Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's Lee Park.[21][25]

...August 12
Protesters and counterprotesters gathered at Lee Park in anticipation of the rally. White nationalist protesters again chanted white supremacist and Nazi-era slogans.[25][121][25]

Some waved Confederate flags, and others held posters targeting Jews that read "the Goyim know," and "the Jewish media is going down".[21] Protesters also shouted racial slurs and "Jew" when Charlottesville mayor Michael Signer was mentioned, and they waved Nazi flags and signs claiming, among other things, that "Jews are Satan's children." Dozens wore Donald Trump's red "Make America Great Again" campaign hats.[21]

Saturday morning worshippers at synagogue Beth Israel, faced with men in fatigues with semiautomatic rifles across the street, and a call on Nazi web sites to burn their building, felt it prudent to exit the synagogue through a back door, carrying their Torah scrolls with them.[122]

...DeAndre Harris, a black man, was attacked inside a parking garage in Charlottesville during the rally, sustaining a spinal injury and lacerations to the head[209] after six men hit him with a metal pipe and wooden boards.[210][140][140][211][212][213] Several of the assailants were publicly identified by volunteer investigators working on the internet.[211] Four men were arrested and charged with malicious wounding in connection with the attack.[214][213][141][142] All were found guilty, with the final trial concluding in February 2019.[215] The remaining two assailants were never identified, despite efforts by police investigators and others to do so.[216]


Obviously, Trump's statements following (and repeated yesterday) along with right wing media supporting Trump (and perhaps holding the ideologies of the marchers, eg Tucker Carlson) and Lash are all complicit in one of the most ugly, immoral and disgusting attempts to cover up and justify the motives and acts of the marchers that I can recall. Equally obviously, Trump and allies bear fundamental responsibility for the rise of such incidents as happened yesterday.
Real Music
 
  2  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 01:55 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
The reports that I've read say that they were chanting "You will not replace us."

I know it shouldn't really matter. Whether they are chanting "You or Jews will not replace us", they are both just as bad.
After watching this disturbing video, I want to point out a detail that appears to be overlooked. As far as I am concerned it sounds like they are chanting "Jews will not replace us." Whatever you think they are chanting, there is clearly the sound of the letter "S" at the end of the word Jews or You

They chant this phrase three times in the video.
The "S" sound is most distinct and clear on the (second) chant.

So, I guess you are claiming that they are chanting "Yuse will not replace us"

As I said, either of the two words are just as bad.

Olivier5
 
  5  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 02:14 pm
@blatham,
I agree. Lash has flaunted her sympathies for the extreme right for some time now, but this is more obvious than she usually cares to be.
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 02:18 pm
@blatham,
Ridiculous. You have some weird need to make wild accusations for the simple reason I won’t parrot your narrative.

And, I won’t.

Trying to control people’s speech is just as fascist as some of the things Trump has done. I won’t submit to your warped attempts to control speech or Trump’s—no matter how insane your accusations are.
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Lash
 
  2  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 02:29 pm
Bernie Sanders
@BernieSanders
·
31m
My anger and indignation are reserved for your lies to the working class of America. Remember when you said "we're going to have health insurance for everybody"? What the hell happened to that promise!
Quote Tweet

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
· 17h
....for the more traditional, but not very bright, Sleepy Joe Biden. Here we go again Bernie, but this time please show a little more anger and indignation when you get screwed!
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Sturgis
 
  1  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 02:42 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
McConnell...low ratings...people keep voting for him.

This has long been an issue with incumbents. It's a big reason why term limits for all in both Houses would be a good idea. People being people, vote for the person they are familiar with, even if said person is vile and obviously corrupt and in no way good for the constituents.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 03:02 pm
@Real Music,
Either is bad.

But there is not an honest person who can listen to that particular video and come away with them saying anything but "Jews will not replace us".
georgeob1
 
  0  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 03:27 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Would you consider voting for Biden? (I’m thinking he may appeal to maybe the same Republicans that Clinton attracted.)


No I wouldn't. He's an amiable person, but leadership requires more that that. Indeed a person who seeks the affection and approval of those he presumes to lead is, in my experience (and I have a lot of it) usually very destructive in a leadership role. There are a number of different approaches to successful leadership, but I don't think old Joe has any of them.

Moreover he really is excessively prone to gaffes (however, no worse than Trump's).

I believe the movement towards Biden is a confession by many establishment Democrats that they are neither comfortable with or confident of the crowd of neo socialists and advocates of group values that currently make up their declared candidates. How this will be resolved I don't claim to know. It seems to me that many Democrats are being carried away by their own enthusiasm for candidates who promise much, but who likely cannot be elected and, if they managed to win, will likely deliver very little, except general disappointment.

I recognize that you are enthusiastic for Sanders. I am not. He is a socialist who has never had a job outside of government. He studiously avoids explaining how his program of lavish government subsidies for education and medical care could be funded by the government or, perhaps more importantly, any discussion about their likely side effects. (For example; Government subsidized student loans have simply created an inflation in college tuition of about 10%/year. The net result is that University education is actually less affordable than it was, and students are graduating with debts they likely cannot repay. That's bad for everyone.
Real Music
 
  2  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 04:02 pm
@maporsche,
Yes. And it is morally wrong for anyone to defend it.
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sun 28 Apr, 2019 04:36 pm
@georgeob1,
I was confident that you’d never vote for Sanders, but I did wonder if any of the conservative Democrats might seem appealing to you. I thought Biden was the most conservative of them.

If any of your friends start mentioning that they may choose a conservative Democrat over Trump, I hope you’ll share.

I think Megan McCain is going on some tour to promote Biden. Wondering how widespread that sentiment is.
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