blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 12:15 pm
If you want to read something very smart on AOC and Pelosi, read this.
Ed Kilgore
Quote:
It’s unclear how any of this threatens Pelosi’s majority, except insofar as conservatives have sought to identify the entire Democratic Party with this one democratic socialist member’s views — which of course they are going to do in any event. Unless the entire House Democratic Caucus is expected to repeat the party line like cicadas, then there will always be members from districts where a more progressive viewpoint is viable than is politically sustainable everywhere. Their job is precisely to keep pressure on the leadership and the party to represent their constituents, too — not just the swing voters who have very nearly been hunted to extinction. And it doesn’t mean Democrats cannot accommodate candidates and members in more competitive districts with views more appropriate to local conditions. The big-tent principle should, however, work both ways.

If AOC begins threatening primary challenges to loyal Democrats from swing districts who happen to disagree with her ideology or policies, or suggesting Democrats take a dive in national elections if their candidates are too “centrist,” then that’s a clear violation of party discipline and Pelosi would be justified in rebuking her. That hasn’t happened, though. So long as gerrymandering and simple concentration of partisan voters produces safe House seats, however, their valuable function is to produce restless insurgents who stretch the imaginations of their elders rather than time-serving perpetual incumbents who go along to get along. In truth, both Pelosi, the precedent-shattering Speaker, and Ocasio-Cortez, the progressive comet, represent the silver lining of the generally rotten system of partisan gerrymandering: It gives leaders the opportunity to emerge from the crowd of election-fearing pols.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 12:19 pm
Today's winner in the Loonaticks Talking Out Loud Challenge
Quote:
Michele Bachmann Exalts ‘Biblical’ Trump: We Will Never See A ‘More Godly’ POTUS
TPM
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 12:36 pm
Bernie Sanders - 10/15/2015 - Twitter

Quote:
It makes no sense that students and their parents pay higher interest rates for college than they pay for car loans or housing mortgages.



Economic genius!
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 12:37 pm
The first photo capture is a Fox reporter in Afghanistan. The second is a Fox reporter at the southwest border

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4S3CG0XoAA7ChS.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4S3CGqWwAApOTD.jpg
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 12:56 pm
@farhip

'Inbox: @foxnews town hall with @BernieSanders last night attracted 2.55 million viewers, most for a candidate town hall this year (previous high: @KamalaHarris town hall on @CNN, 1.95 million). Sanders all the more impressive since his aired 6:30-7:30 pm, others during primetime.'
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 01:18 pm
Quote:
Jay Rosen
‏Verified account
@jayrosen_nyu
A sentence about Facebook and news that I want you to read and ponder.
Quote:
"Supporting high-quality outlets would inevitably make it look like the platform was supporting liberals, which could lead to trouble in Washington, a town run mainly by conservatives."
Wired
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 03:56 pm
Quote:
Ryan Cooper skewers the dumb attacks on Bernie Sanders for being a millionaire.
https://theweek.com/articles/835476

h/t Paul Waldman
snood
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 05:33 pm
@blatham,
I haven’t seen people attacking Bernie for being a millionaire; have you?
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 05:36 pm
Twitter is RIFE with “1% Bernie” attacks. Plenty of MSM articles doing the same.
Lash
 
  0  
Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 05:53 pm

loopy stands with Ilhan Omar
@Pa1Lauren
·
2m
So, first
@SpeakerPelosi goes on 60 Minutes & says AOC & her ‘group’ are like ‘5 people’. Then, privately meets w/ Mayor Pete & others on what to do about Bernie. Then she says a glass of water could win dem districts like AOC’s. And, people say Bernie’s the divisive one
Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 05:57 pm
@Lash,
Pelosi also said she doesn't believe in a 'socialist' economy, you can almost hear a status quo nominee getting picked from here.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 06:03 pm
@snood,
Quote:
I haven’t seen people attacking Bernie for being a millionaire; have you?
Very little but there is some. This was and remains so with Warren as well. The piece by Cooper I linked above notes a single instance of the narrative by Kaplan at the Times (and I noted one here a couple of days ago) but Cooper is making the point that possession of wealth isn't a relevant measure for anyone, rather it is how that wealth has been accrued, if there's been corruption, and if the person's independence is compromised. Bob Dylan's wealth and the Koch brothers wealth are very different matters.

But we can expect more of the same emerging from right wing media designed to worm its way into the MSM. And as the press likes conflict...
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 06:08 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
Twitter is RIFE with “1% Bernie” attacks. Plenty of MSM articles doing the same.
That is utter bullshit. God knows who you have on your twitter feed but there clearly are people who want to create division and a lot of those will be Russians and Republicans.

And, no, there aren't plenty of MSM articles doing the same.
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 06:17 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
loopy stands with Ilhan Omar
@Pa1Lauren
So, first
@SpeakerPelosi goes on 60 Minutes & says AOC & her ‘group’ are like ‘5 people’. Then, privately meets w/ Mayor Pete & others on what to do about Bernie. Then she says a glass of water could win dem districts like AOC’s. And, people say Bernie’s the divisive one

Do you have any idea who @Pa1Lauren is?
Quote:
Then she says a glass of water could win dem districts like AOC’s.
If @Pa1Lauren isn't a troll, she's as dim or dishonest or as lazy as you. Even Fox, playing their divide the Dems game, covers what she actually said better than you two idiots.
Quote:
Pelosi appears to take new jab at Ocasio-Cortez, says ‘a glass of water’ with a ‘D’ could win their districts
I posted on this much earlier today where the rationale for her statement was made clear.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 06:29 pm
Good Lord, Bernie, it's Lash who wants to create division in the Democrats. She's been at it here for years and years. Crap liek that just plays into her hands.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 06:36 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Twitter is RIFE with “1% Bernie” attacks. Plenty of MSM articles doing the same.
That is utter bullshit. God knows who you have on your twitter feed but there clearly are people who want to create division and a lot of those will be Russians and Republicans.

And, no, there aren't plenty of MSM articles doing the same.

Are you a liar or just ignorant?

1. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/15/bernie-sanders-millionaire-1276928

2. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/2019/04/15/bernie-sanders-is-now-millionaire-can-he-still-speak-working-class-americans/

3. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1RR2CJ

4. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/2019/04/16/why-millionaire-dig-bernie-sanders-isnt-powerful-it-once-might-have-been/

5. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/opinion/bernie-sanders-wealth.amp.html

6. https://youtu.be/BtorlPFoYMs CBS News, barely containing snark.

I could go on for 30 minutes. Why would you so aggressively lie about it?

And, for your information, no one is more vociferously against Bernie than the DNC and CAP. Maybe you’re feigning ignorance??

Lash
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 06:37 pm
@blatham,
Your spin doesn’t cover what she meant.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 06:37 pm
Quote:
As far as Donald Trump is concerned, Senate Republicans should take the lead on crafting the GOP's alternative to the Affordable Care Act. Evidently, the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee isn't eager to help in the endeavor.

Quote:
Even Republicans who furiously fought the creation of the law and won elections with the mantra of repeal and replace speak favorably of President Barack Obama's signature domestic achievement.

"Quite obviously, more people have health insurance than would otherwise have it, so you got to look at it as positive," Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) said in a recent interview.


At a certain level, comments like these may seem so anodyne, they're hardly notable. Any responsible assessment of the Affordable Care Act and its effects would conclude that it obviously deserves to be seen in a positive light.

But in Republican politics over the last decade, rhetoric like Grassley's has been verboten. The only acceptable labels for "Obamacare" in GOP circles are words like "failure," "disaster," and attacks not suitable for publication on family websites like this one. To concede that the Affordable Care Act has helped millions, and has had a positive impact on the country, is to betray the Republican Party's goals and principles.

Indeed, Iowa’s senior senator is an observer of particular relevance. Those who followed the debate over health-care reform closely may recall that by the fall of 2009, “no Republican received more TLC from Barack Obama” than Chuck Grassley. The Democratic president and his team reached out to him constantly, hoping that he was the kind of senator who would work in good faith towards bipartisan solutions.

He was not. While Grassley claimed to be serious about bipartisan solutions on health care reform, he was also, at the same time, making fundraising appeals urging donors to send him cash to help him “defeat Obama-care.” Grassley proceeded to talk up “death panel” garbage and tout Glenn Beck’s book.

By August 2009, Grassley told MSNBC that he was negotiating with the White House on a health care compromise, which Grassley was prepared to vote against, even if it included everything he asked for.

In the years that followed, the conservative Iowan did what hundreds of other GOP lawmakers did: Grassley voted to repeal the reform law – in whole or in part – several times.

And yet, here we are.

The Washington Post’s Aaron Blake recently added, “It is worth taking stock of this moment. What we are seeing here is the marking of a willful GOP capitulation to Obamacare. Republicans are essentially admitting it is here to stay, barring unforeseen changes. They are trying to dress it up and put a good face on it for Trump, given that he apparently is not willing to concede the point. But it appears their long-emphasized push to get rid of this allegedly destructive law is effectively over.”
Benen

I'll add another aspect here. How are the Republicans and the medical industries they represent going to deal with a growing clamor for an even more inclusive medical insurance system? Particularly if it heads in the direction of single payer? They are going to do what they did before with Hillarycare and the ACA - try to scare the **** out of stupid, misinformed people. Death panels. "I don't want the government to take over Medicare". It will not be even slightly unusual for people like Grassley to now pretend they were/are big supporters of the ACA so as to hopefully dampen enthusiasm for something that helps even more people, more cheaply.

And in the meantime, they will continue to forward legal arguments which have the goal of dismantling the ACA.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 06:40 pm
@Setanta,
That's my take as well. But I suspect there's nothing I could write or paste in here that she wouldn't play her game with. But she's just one of two or three so **** her.
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2019 06:47 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
Why would you so aggressively lie about it?
You probably should read those links. It is entirely proper to report that Sanders' worth is what it is as it is proper to do so with anyone in this position. And it is proper to ask whether his (or Warren's) rhetoric and policy ideas are compatible. As I've said repeatedly, there's no problem for either candidate or Harris for that matter. Those aren't attacks, twit, they are reporters doing their job.
 

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