Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 05:23 am
@Lash,
I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her, she's a slick talking 100% politician type.
Setanta
 
  2  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 05:47 am
@Brand X,
Which one of them isn't? St. Bernard?
Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 05:50 am
@Setanta,
Good question, time will tell.
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 06:42 am
Quote:
Bernie in the Fox's den: Sanders takes anti-Trump pitch straight to 'state TV'

The Democratic frontrunner will speak at a Fox News town hall. He says it’s necessary to speak to Trump voters. Others disagree

Lauren Gambino in Washington
Mon 15 Apr 2019

Bernie Sanders will finish a four-day tour of Trump Country on Monday, with a town hall on the president’s favorite network: Fox News.

It is an unexpected partnership, between a self-described democratic socialist and a media outlet that dedicates primetime to pundits who rail against a purported “creep” of socialism.

The event will be staged in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, a state Trump won by less than 1%, and it will be moderated by Foxanchors Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum.

Sanders is the first Democratic presidential candidate to appear on the network for such an event. He says it is a way to speak directly to Trump supporters, to make the case that the president is a “pathological liar” who has misled the working class. The booking is also important for Fox News, which was banned from hosting a Democratic primary debate.

Among Democrats, the booking has drawn criticism. Progressive groups are urging presidential contenders to boycott the network whose stream of pro-Trump commentary has led critics to liken it to unofficial “state TV”.


https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/15/bernie-sanders-fox-news-town-hall-trump
Lash
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 06:51 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4MPk1mWwAEp7lK?format=jpg&name=large

Putting the name of someone who’s not in the race in a poll is a cheap method of avoiding the facts of the poll.
maporsche
 
  2  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 07:22 am
@Olivier5,
IIRC Sanders and Clinton did something similar last election cycle, appearing on Fox News for Town Halls

Also, I read that Fox hasn’t hosted a Democratic debate since 2004 so it doesn’t appear to be anything new on that front either.

Why is this an issue?

Quote:
It’s unclear how seriously the DNC was considering giving Fox one of the debate slots even before the New Yorker story broke. Fox hosted back-to-back town halls with Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton during the 2016 primary, but the last time the network hosted an official Democratic debate was 2004.
revelette1
 
  2  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 07:32 am
@Lash,
You are correct on the Emerson poll, however, it does not give a true picture as realclearpolitics has Biden ahead an average of31.2 to Sanders 21.7 on 4/14/19

In South Carolina, an early primary state, it has Biden clearly ahead, but also has Abrams catching up along with Pete Buttigieg.

https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/biden-still-leads-but-abrams-buttigieg-join-front-runners-in/article_2c8f9d32-57eb-11e9-abc5-531783c41f18.html

538 has an interesting question What Happens If Biden Doesn’t Run — Or Flops?

As for myself, I support whoever ends up winning and I am not going to trash on any of them. Just saying.
Olivier5
 
  0  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 07:35 am
@maporsche,
What New Yorker story?
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 07:37 am
@revelette1,
It doesn’t give a true picture because any pollster who includes a person who is not in the race and, therefore, is not being scrutinized in the same way as someone who has committed to the election is intentionally skewing the poll.

Biden NOR Abrams are in the race and perverting the polls as if they are is election tampering.
revelette1
 
  2  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 07:42 am
@Lash,
Lighten up. It has been done since I can remember.
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revelette1
 
  2  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 07:56 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
In a recent interview with the Huffington Post, Sanders said: “When I go on Fox, what I will say is, ‘Look, many of you voted for Donald Trump, but he lied to you. He told you he was gonna provide healthcare for everybody. Yet his policies are to throw 30m people off of the health insurance they have …’

“How do you explain that to people who voted for Trump if you don’t talk to people who voted for Trump?”

Asked in the same interview if he believes the network is a “propaganda arm” of the White House, Sanders replied: “In most respects, I think it is.”

Distinguishing between its journalists and its primetime pundits who bring in most of its viewers, Fox News has aggressively defended its reporting operation.

Last month the Democratic National Committee (DNC) announced that it would exclude Fox News from the presidential primary debates, amid concern it would not be “fair and neutral”.

The DNC chair, Tom Perez, attributed the decision to an 11,000-word New Yorker article in which the veteran journalist Jane Mayer described how the 2016 election transformed a conservative-friendly news channel into a “mouthpiece” for the White House, providing as she did so fresh details on the intimate relationship between Fox and the Trump administration.


The Guardian

Perhaps this is the New Yorker Magazine article referenced in maporsche quote.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 08:04 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
"...an 11,000-word New Yorker article in which the veteran journalist Jane Mayer described how the 2016 election transformed a conservative-friendly news channel into a “mouthpiece” for the White House...

Okay, thanks. Makes sense. I did find this particular article a bit ridiculous. FAUX has been a lie factory from day one. Nothing new here, for sure.
revelette1
 
  2  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 08:12 am
@Olivier5,
I know but 2016 just seemed to have to have it more personal favoritism and lies for Donald Trump rather than conservatism/republican slant in general.
Olivier5
 
  0  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 08:15 am
@revelette1,
Okay so now they don't lie AGAINST OBAMA anymore, but FOR TRUMP. Doesn't make a huge difference to me...
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maporsche
 
  2  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 08:20 am
@Olivier5,
The one that started this whole fake issue this election cycle.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/fox-dnc-debate-smart.html

Quote:
“Recent reporting in the New Yorker on the inappropriate relationship between President Trump, his administration and Fox News has led me to conclude that the network is not in a position to host a fair and neutral debate for our candidates,” Perez said in a statement first provided to the Washington Post. “Therefore, Fox News will not serve as a media partner for the 2020 Democratic primary debates.”
Olivier5
 
  0  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 08:43 am
@maporsche,
Thanks, Rev already clarified. And I agreed there's nothing new under the sun, in this case.
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Brand X
 
  2  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 08:51 am
@JoeNBC

'In a lifetime of following politics, the only time I have heard as excited a reaction to a campaign as I heard today about @PeteButtigieg’s launch was @BarackObama in 2008 and Ronald Reagan in 1980.
Yes, it’s very early. But the reaction has been remarkable.'
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 10:00 am
Two days ago, I wrote
Quote:
We know that the Republicans are going to continue trying to tie this young Muslim woman to terrorism and to the right's anti-Muslim fervor. And they'll continue trying to tie her to AOC and other young Dem congress people. and they'll try to tie them to the Dem party and liberalism.

And from the Times today
Quote:
Now, with 19 months until the 2020 election, Mr. Trump is seeking to rally his base by sounding that [be scared of Muslims] theme once again. And this time, he has a specific target: Representative Ilhan Omar, Democrat of Minnesota and one of the first Muslim women elected to Congress.

Mr. Trump and his team are trying to make Ms. Omar, one of a group of progressive women Democratic House members who is relatively unknown in national politics, a household name, to be seen as the most prominent voice of the Democratic Party, regardless of her actual position. And they are gambling that there will be limited downside in doing so.

...Privately, Mr. Trump’s advisers describe Ms. Omar as his ideal foil. Her remarks about the power of the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, combined with her role in a progressive contingent of freshman House Democrats who have sparked intraparty battles, have been treated as a gift by Republicans.
NYT

Aside from what precedes it, the bolded portion is a reminder that those who seek to foment dissent/intra-party conflict are doing the same work as Russian intel and Republican strategists.
snood
 
  4  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 10:45 am
@blatham,
They have to find a way to strike a balance between continuing to advocate for all the wonderful, bold positive changes they want to make and solidarity with the other democrats. As you rightfully point out, they do the work of the other side when they publicly berate fellow dems. But the freshmen - and Bernie - have undeniably already changed discussions on policy for the better.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Reply Mon 15 Apr, 2019 10:55 am
@snood,
I'm more inclined to believe the strife and struggle between the group of freshmen legislators and Speaker Pelosi is just beginning and will likely get more pointed as time passes.
0 Replies
 
 

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