revelette1
 
  3  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 07:47 am
@blatham,
I've been waiting for the spin, or more promises of a detailed replacement. So far, silence unless I missed something since yesterday on the lawsuit to completely wipeout Obamacare.

Lets say their lawsuit is successful, they have a plan to replace the existing AHC but haven't done anything besides throw a few proposals around. What will millions of Americans who depend on the Medicaid expansion do for insurance in the meanwhile while they dither around with promises?
blatham
 
  3  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 07:52 am
Quote:
Back in the 1980s, former first lady Barbara Bush referred to then-real estate mogul Donald Trump as the “real symbol of greed.”

...And President Trump’s eventual presidency did more than impact Barbara Bush’s health. In February 2018, the former first lady — and the matriarch of an entire generation of conservatives — told Page that she no longer considered herself a Republican.
TPM

When you've lost Barbara Bush, dear Trump defending Republicans, this ought to give you a clue that you've entered padded-room territory.

blatham
 
  2  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 08:03 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
promises of a detailed replacement
Paul Ryan (now a bigwig at Murdoch's operation, what a surprise) and the rest of the Republicans have been promising this since the ACA came into being. It ain't going to happen. They are just flat out lying about it. Even though the ACA was built on a Heritage designed plan, and even though it had been put into place in by a Republican governor in Mass, the GOP tried to portray it as a "socialist" plan that, axiomatically, could not work. The ACA struck at the heart of modern conservative ideology and its desire to reduce citizen government to the size where they could drown it in the bathtub. That is what's going on.

There's no working with these people. They have to be crushed electorally.

Edit: Another factor in Trump's latest push is electoral. He wants to be able to say he kept his campaign promises. Would he actually kill healthcare for millions of Americans for no other reason than campaign speeches? Just ask yourself, what would a sociopath do?
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 08:36 am
Quote:
Republicans Really Hate Health Care
They’ve gone beyond cynicism to pathology.

...The point is that it’s no longer possible to see any of this as part of a clever political strategy, even a nefariously cynical one. It has entered the realm of pathology instead. It’s now clear that Republicans just have a deep, unreasoning hatred of the idea that government policy may help some people get health care.

Why? The truth is that I don’t fully get it. Maybe it’s anger at the thought of anyone getting something they didn’t earn themselves, unless it’s an inheritance from daddy. Maybe it’s a sense that a lot of gratuitous suffering is or should be part of the human condition, or God’s plan, or something. I try to understand how others think, but in this case I really do find it hard.

Whatever the reason, however, the fact is that whatever they may claim, today’s Republicans hate the idea of poor and working-class Americans getting the health care they need.
Krugman

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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 08:45 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
...And President Trump’s eventual presidency did more than impact Barbara Bush’s health. In February 2018, the former first lady — and the matriarch of an entire generation of conservatives — told Page that she no longer considered herself a Republican.
TPM

When you've lost Barbara Bush, dear Trump defending Republicans, this ought to give you a clue that you've entered padded-room territory.


You & the source you pasted here apparently forgot the rather obvious point that, in 2018 Trump defeated her son in a hard fought Republican primary, which her son, Jeb, entered assuming that, with Mitt Romney out, it was, in a Clintonesque way, "his turn". Unfortunately this is not s single family monarchy.

The hectic life of a busy propagandist, constantly searching for material to advance his prejudices, can be wearing. Such gaffes are probably inevitable.
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 08:55 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
You & the source you pasted here apparently forgot
Nope. You were just too lazy to read the source piece.

Quote:
The hectic life of a busy propagandist,
As noted quite a few times earlier, I'd be delighted to have a careful discussion on what "propaganda" is and how it differs from "advocacy" but you won't go there. It is a cowardly position, george.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 08:59 am
Quote:
One glaring analytical error we’re seeing in the coverage of Robert S. Mueller III’s findings is the idea that we’re suddenly in a “post-Mueller” political world. The suggestion is that there’s been a sudden, clean break from a rapidly receding past in which the special counsel’s activity threatened President Trump, to a new future in which it does not.

The reality is quite different. In fact, while Mueller’s no-conspiracy finding does close one chapter of this affair, the Mueller probe and its spinoffs added substantial new material to the building case against Trump’s corruption, and they have spawned other investigations that will keep that process moving forward.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is hoping to seize this moment to redouble the focus on Trump’s corruption. As a top-tier Democratic presidential candidate, Warren is well positioned to try to ensure that this is central to the case against Trump’s reelection in 2020.

Warren has just introduced in the Senate a sweeping measure called the Presidential Conflicts of Interest Act, which requires the president, vice president and their close family members to divest in all financial interests that create conflicts of interest and place them in a blind trust.

The bill would also bar presidential appointees from participating in matters involving the president’s financial interests and would require the president and major-party presidential nominees to release three years of tax returns.

“Corruption has always been the central stain of this presidency,” Warren said in a statement emailed to me. “This bill would force President Trump to fully divest from the same Trump properties and assets that special interests have spent two-plus years patronizing to try and curry favor with this administration — all while lining the President’s pockets.”
Greg Sargent, more here
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 09:09 am
This one is a dilly.
Quote:
GOP legislator prays to Jesus for forgiveness before state’s first Muslim woman swears in

State Rep. Stephanie Borowicz was on the ninth “Jesus” of her opening prayer in the Pennsylvania statehouse when other lawmakers started to look uncomfortable.

...“God forgive us — Jesus — we’ve lost sight of you, we’ve forgotten you, God, in our country, and we’re asking you to forgive us,” Borowicz said, followed by a quote from the Bible’s second book of Chronicles that implores God’s followers to “turn from their wicked ways.” Then she praised President Trump for his unequivocal support of Israel.

“I claim all these things in the powerful, mighty name of Jesus, the one who, at the name of Jesus, every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess, Jesus, that you are Lord, in Jesus’ name,” Borowicz said.

By the time she said “Amen,” Borowicz had invoked Jesus 13 times, deploying the name between prayerful clauses as though it were a comma. She mentioned “Lord” and “God” another six times each and referenced “The Great I Am” and “the one who’s coming back again, the one who came, died and rose again on the third day.”
WP

As Jesus put it in his Sermon on the Mount, "Nuke the ******* Muslims"
georgeob1
 
  0  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 09:09 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
promises of a detailed replacement
Paul Ryan (now a bigwig at Murdoch's operation, what a surprise) and the rest of the Republicans have been promising this since the ACA came into being. It ain't going to happen. They are just flat out lying about it. Even though the ACA was built on a Heritage designed plan, and even though it had been put into place in by a Republican governor in Mass, the GOP tried to portray it as a "socialist" plan that, axiomatically, could not work. The ACA struck at the heart of modern conservative ideology and its desire to reduce citizen government to the size where they could drown it in the bathtub. That is what's going on.

There's no working with these people. They have to be crushed electorally.

Edit: Another factor in Trump's latest push is electoral. He wants to be able to say he kept his campaign promises. Would he actually kill healthcare for millions of Americans for no other reason than campaign speeches? Just ask yourself, what would a sociopath do?


You continue to bend the facts and infer motivations that you can't possibly verify to serve your prejudgments in this unending stream of propaganda.

Obamacare included a "Tax" that was in fact a penalty for not signing up, and thereby involved a very real constitutional issue. The USSC evaded that matter in the initial review, and will now have to face and decide on the issue specifically. That's how our government was designed to work.
In addition the ACA (and its "brilliant" designers, Professors Jonathan Gruber and Ezekiel Emanuel) so larded up the requirements for coverage that the premiums became excessive, adding to the reluctance of the young and healthy to sign up. Apparently they recognized this to some degree and built in some as, yet unauthorized, provisions for massive Federal subsidies to insurers - which were not included in the cost accounting attendant to the passage of this ill-conceived legislation. The fact is ACA is collapsing as a result of its own internal contradictions.
Progressives wish to be judged based only on their supposed good intentions, and not on the actual content of the ill-conceived "solutions" they produce. This is a curious form of derangement, perhaps most vividly illustrated by the new radicals in the Democrat Party and their "Green New Deal"

There are better possibilities for expanded access to health care, involving increased interstate competition among both providers and insurers and less mindless bureaucratic control of the process. I believe Trump will seek to advance them, notwithstanding your unfounded assertions that he and Republicans are lying about it. Oddly you appear to accept Trump's commitment to keep his electoral promise with respect to ending ACA, but reject it completely with respect to replacing it. Just how do you claim to know that apparent contradiction is true?
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 09:13 am
Our topic for today will be...Sociopaths and their priorities
Quote:
Five Trump trips to Mar-a-Lago would cover Betsy Devos’s proposed Special Olympics cuts
WP

And yes, this material will be on the final exam.
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Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 09:17 am
Mueller hasn't been heard from since he released the report to Barr....he's been locked up in the basement of Trump Tower by the Russians......so that he can't be on 'news' shows telling how Barr covered up his finding's and lied in Barr's report.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 09:19 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

As noted quite a few times earlier, I'd be delighted to have a careful discussion on what "propaganda" is and how it differs from "advocacy" but you won't go there. It is a cowardly position, george.


That's contemptable effort to evade a truth you are apparently unwilling to face regarding your efforts here. I made very clear distinctions between advocacy and propaganda and you have simply ignored them. So much for your professed interest in a "careful discussion".
maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 09:20 am
@blatham,
I listened to the 2 minute speech (it was more of a speech than a prayer)...it was gross and uncomfortable. Not to mention I’ll-prepared and antagonistic.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 09:23 am
As Trump's spokesperson put it two days ago (paraphrasing) "When people are innocent, they welcome transparency. If they are welcoming transparency that demonstrates they had nothing to hide. Thus, when they seek to hide information, there's a really high chance that they are guilty as ****"
Quote:
On March 2, former Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker abruptly resigned from a new Justice Department position only two weeks into the job—after he learned that he would likely be fired if he refused to answer questions from the department’s Inspector General about his controversial tenure as the nation’s top law enforcement official.

As a result, investigators may never learn whether President Trump attempted to enlist Whitaker in an effort to impede a federal criminal investigation into whether the president himself conspired to violate campaign finance laws. And Whitaker most likely will no longer be compelled to answer questions on a wide variety of other issues by investigators for the Justice Department he once headed. The department’s Inspector General has no authority to subpoena or require testimony from former officials, whereas those who still work for the department are subject to severe disciplinary measures if they refuse to cooperate with investigators, most often resulting in their immediate dismissal. By resigning, Whitaker most likely will have evaded the IG’s questioning.
New York Review of Books
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 10:30 am
@blatham,
For the record, Jesus is a big deal for Muslims, considered a prophet most beloved by Allah, seen as the Messiah and therefore he is supposed to come back at the end of times to save the world...

He is mentioned in the Quran about 190 times, more often than anybody else, and called the "Spirit of God" (Ruh-Allah). Even Borowicz can't beat that level of reverence... :-)
snood
 
  3  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 10:34 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

For the record, Jesus is a big deal for Muslims, considered a prophet most beloved by Allah, seen as the Messiah and therefore he is supposed to come back at the end of times to save the world...

He is mentioned in the Quran about 190 times, more often than anybody else, and called the "Spirit of God" (Ruh-Allah). Even Borowicz can't beat that level of reverence... :-)

He is considered a prophet by Muslims, but not above a dozen other prophets cited in the Qu’uran including Abraham and Moses. And he certainly IS NOT called or considered a “messiah” or the son of God by Muslims. The only prophet they give singular status above all others as the one who received the word of Allah is Muhammad.
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 10:54 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I made very clear distinctions between advocacy and propaganda and you have simply ignored them.
Where? Are you referring to the single sentence statement you made a week ago? If that's it (and it's all I've seen) you gained a response from me that laid out precisely why your definition fails. You never responded to my points. Or perhaps I missed something you wrote elsewhere.

How about this, george. How about if I start a thread dedicated to such a careful discussion between you and I on this subject. Others will probably make arguments as well but we can deal with that. We'll do it right with citations and references.

How about it?
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 10:56 am
@maporsche,
I know. Bigots are ugly people.
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 10:57 am
@Olivier5,
Yes.
0 Replies
 
Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 11:08 am
@snood,
He's mentioned more often than any other prophet in the Quran (except perhap Mohamad himself, I'd have to check that), and is considered the Messiah in Islam (Issa Al Massih = Jesus the Messiah). That's a fact.

BTW, the Messiah title is of Jewish origin, and has absolutely nothing to see with being the "son of God" (whatever that means).

 

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