maporsche
 
  3  
Reply Fri 22 Mar, 2019 06:43 pm
@Setanta,
Right.

Thanks again to the people to sat home or voted for Jill Stein.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 22 Mar, 2019 08:25 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
In a 2002 column, Jonah Goldberg coined the "Ledeen Doctrine", named after neoconservative historian Michael Ledeen. The "doctrine" states: "Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business."

I was thinking about this a bit.

I really don't like the idea of American soldiers losing their lives over such a policy.

But.... in the near future we'll have fleets of unmanned bombers.

Once we are technically capable of smashing up third-world countries without risking American lives, I think we should go for it.
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 05:14 am
Mueller's probe into Russian election meddling has indicted 34 individuals. I'm not sure how many have pleaded guilty already. Other probes, by federal and state investigators and those by congressional committees remain on-going.

Everything I've read regarding Mueller's integrity (and the lack of leaks from his inquiry) leaves me pretty confident the fellow has done his assignment correctly. He has not indicted Trump or family in the matters he was tasked with investigating so it looks like he had no or insufficient evidence to indict those people.

I have no problem with that result from the investigation. I think very few will. I've read nothing like that to this point.

I've already seen one instance of a rw twit suggest here that Mueller "proved Trump innocent". I won't split hairs on his wording. What I will point to is that if Mueller had come down with further indictments against Trump and family, this fellow and nearly the entire right wing crowd would be screaming about "witch hunt" and "deep state".

In other words, for them and regardless of all else, only one conclusion would be/could be permissible or proper.

And we can count on the same propagandized mindset for each further investigation.
hightor
 
  4  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 05:36 am
@blatham,
Nixon was not indicted either.

I'd almost rather the whole thing were kept under wraps than have the distinguished and highly respected Attorney General dole out little bits carefully selected to give the impression, "Nothing here of any importance."
blatham
 
  4  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 05:55 am
@hightor,
Yup. That seems likely.

On another subject, David Sirota who we were discussion earlier...
Quote:
David Sirota, who Bernie Sanders announced this week would be joining his campaign as a speechwriter, was hired by the senator for a different job two decades ago — the same year the aide was fired from a mayoral campaign for his role in a racially inflammatory and fraudulent website.

In a 1999 mayoral race in Philadelphia, Sirota was tied to a fake website apparently intended to scare off white residents from voting for a black opponent. On Friday, the controversial political aide and journalist apologized for his role in the episode.

“I deeply regret being involved in this whole incident,” David Sirota, Sanders’ senior communications adviser, told POLITICO. “I am absolutely ashamed that it happened, and I have felt genuinely terrible about this for 20 years. Even though I was a junior political staffer, I should have known better, and I certainly do today.”
Politico

I can easily forgive Sirota for this early behavior in the same manner as I can forgive David Brock for his dirty tricks work for Republicans 20 years ago. Behavior in the present is what's important.
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revelette1
 
  4  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 09:22 am
@snood,
I don't. I think by the time the general came around, she was disgusted with the whole thing on account of news, Trump and the Bernie Bros and Bernie or busters and the relentless investigation into her internet server/emails. Now with Jared Kushner using a regular app on his phone for official business (he is a big position of power) it is just so ironic.

There is gap between election day and the day Presidents are sworn in. After celebrating her win; she would immideiatly start to collaborate with Obama and a very smooth transition would have came about. Alas..
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 09:26 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
start to collaborate with Obama and a very smooth transition would have came about. Alas..

She was already colluding wit Obama trying to steal an election and any transition would have been the final nails in our coffin. Thank God she lost.
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hightor
 
  5  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 09:51 am
Medicare for All Would Abolish Private Insurance. ‘There’s No Precedent in American History’

Unlike Obamacare, emerging plans would sweep away the private health insurance system. What would that mean for the companies’ workers, the stock market and the cost of care?

Quote:
At the heart of the “Medicare for all” proposals championed by Senator Bernie Sanders and many Democrats is a revolutionary idea: Abolish private health insurance.

Proponents want to sweep away our complex, confusing, profit-driven mess of a health care system and start fresh with a single government-run insurer that would cover everyone.

But doing away with an entire industry would also be profoundly disruptive. The private health insurance business employs at least a half a million people, covers about 250 million Americans, and generates roughly a trillion dollars in revenues. Its companies’ stocks are a staple of the mutual funds that make up millions of Americans’ retirement savings.

Such a change would shake the entire health care system, which makes up a fifth of the United States economy, as hospitals, doctors, nursing homes and pharmaceutical companies would have to adapt to a new set of rules. Most Americans would have a new insurer — the federal government — and many would find the health insurance stocks in their retirement portfolios much less valuable.

“We’re talking about changing flows of money on just a huge scale,” said Paul Starr, a sociology professor at Princeton University and author of “The Social Transformation of American Medicine: The Rise of a Sovereign Profession and the Making of a Vast Industry.”

“There’s no precedent in American history that compares to this,” he said.

Economists have begun wrestling with basic questions about what this sort of change would mean and disagreeing over whether it would cost more or less than the country’s current health care system.

No one has examined the full economic impact of such plans on jobs, wages, investors, doctors and hospitals — or the health insurance companies themselves. Such an undertaking would be difficult, given the vagueness of key parts of the proposals being discussed and the wide-ranging possible effects.

There are few international analogues to the Medicare for all proposals, but Canada, which provides similar doctor and hospital benefits for its residents, probably comes closest. Even there, people buy private insurance for benefits that are not covered by the government program, like prescription drugs and dental care.

Most other countries with single-payer systems allow a more expansive, competing role for private coverage. In Britain, for example, everyone is covered by a public system, but people can pay extra for insurance that gives them access to private doctors. Most countries in Europe don’t have single-payer systems, but instead allow private insurance companies to compete under extremely tight regulations.

Legislators writing the bills acknowledge that people in the health insurance industry would lose their jobs. Proposals in the House and Senate would set aside large funds to help cushion the blow to displaced workers, offering them training, benefits, and income supports.

The health insurance industry is now composed of a mix of for-profit and nonprofit companies of various sizes. About 155 million Americans get private health coverage through an employer, but the reach of the industry extends into publicly funded insurance programs.

A third of Americans enrolled in Medicare, which insures older and disabled people, and four-fifths of those in Medicaid, which covers the poor and disabled, now get their benefits from a private insurer.

Simply talk of Medicare for all makes investors jittery. Shares of the large publicly held insurance companies, including Cigna, Humana and UnitedHealth, fell when Representative Pramila Jayapal, Democrat of Washington, introduced her bill in late February, but have largely rebounded.

The effective takeover of the health insurance industry in the United States would mean a huge hit to the companies’ stocks, although the companies, which have additional lines of business, would most likely survive.

While the bills would give relief to insurance industry workers, they would provide no such compensation for investors. Not surprisingly, the insurance industry and many other health care industries vociferously oppose these plans and plan to spend heavily in fighting them.

Many supporters of this approach see elimination of private insurance as a key feature, not a bug, meant to improve the program’s efficiency and equity by streamlining the health care system and weakening profit motives. With a single insurer covering every patient, hospitals and doctors could spend less time and money complying with differing policies, negotiating contracts, and filing forms to get paid.

“It’s worth it,” said Adam Gaffney, the president of Physicians for a National Health Program, which supports single-payer health care and helped design Ms. Jayapal’s bill. “Because we are not going to get to true universal health care without the greater efficiency of a single-payer system.”

This idea — once at the edge of Democratic politics — has moved to the mainstream of the debate among the party’s numerous presidential contenders. Mr. Sanders, independent of Vermont, ran on the idea in his 2016 campaign, and now five 2020 Democratic aspirants have co-sponsored one of the two Medicare-for-all bills.

Senators Cory Booker of New Jersey, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Kamala Harris of California, and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts co-sponsored Mr. Sanders’s bill in the last Congress. Representative Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii is a co-sponsor on this year’s House Medicare for All Act.

The concept, in broad strokes, appeals to many Democratic voters. But overall support diminishes by a third or more when people are told that the plan would involve eliminating private insurance, raising taxes, or requiring waits to obtain medical care, according to surveys from the Kaiser Family Foundation.

And the approach is a big departure from the Democrats’ strategy in 2010, when Congress passed the Affordable Care Act. That law expanded coverage, but did so largely using private insurance carriers. It set up marketplaces for Americans who didn’t have coverage through work to buy insurance, usually with federal subsidies, and broadened access to the Medicaid program for the poor.

Obamacare was designed to build on the current system, patching its holes while minimizing disruption and avoiding the fierce opposition from industry that helped sink earlier attempts to change the health care system.

But 107 Democratic House members are now co-sponsoring a Medicare for all bill written by Ms. Jayapal. Mr. Sanders, whose update of his bill is expected in the next few weeks, argues that only a single-payer approach would resolve problems he sees as inherent in private insurance. Both proposals are clear that a single, government-run insurer would replace the private sector, but they are less detailed about exactly how the government program would pay for medical care.

Their plans would include nearly every doctor and hospital in the United States and provide generous benefits, including dental care and hearing aids, and would not require patients to pay any out-of-pocket cost to see a doctor. The federal government, of course, would have to cover those benefits, and would need to raise taxes to pay for them.

Gerald Friedman, a labor economist at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, who was close to Mr. Sanders’s 2016 campaign, estimated then that it could reduce the nation’s health care spending by $6 trillion over a decade, while the left-leaning Urban Institute said it might increase the overall bill by nearly $7 trillion.

Both Mr. Sanders and Ms. Jayapal said the switch to a government insurer would mean no loss in access to health care that private insurance provides.

“There is a reason why the United States is the only major country on earth that allows private insurance companies to profit off of health care,” Mr. Sanders said in an interview. “The function of private health insurance is not to provide quality care to all, it is to make as much money as possible for the private insurance companies, working with the drug companies.”

There are sharp disagreements among Democrats in Congress over whether Medicare for all or a more incremental approach is best — and presidential candidates co-sponsoring Mr. Sanders’s bill also support other, less sweeping measures.

Ms. Harris, asked directly about getting rid of private health insurance during a CNN forum in January, answered, “Let’s eliminate all that. Let’s move on.” But after her comments were characterized as extreme, her campaign quickly clarified that, while she continued to endorse the Sanders plan, she would also support more incremental expansions of health coverage.

During her CNN forum last week, Ms. Warren said she was open to various ways to get to universal coverage. “When we talk about Medicare for all, there are a lot of different pathways,” she said. “What we’re all looking for is the lowest cost way to make sure that everybody gets covered.”

Dr. David Blumenthal, a former Obama administration official who is now chief executive of the Commonwealth Fund, a nonprofit that funds health care research, voiced concern about the prospects for the most transformative approach. “I do think it’s an uphill battle to take things away from people in the name of giving them something better,” he said.

Believers in markets argue that consumer choice and competition among private health plans improve the quality of care. Others laud private industry’s relative nimbleness compared with Medicare, which can be bureaucratic and prone to political influence.

“Private plans have been able to evolve and test new models more quickly,” said Caroline Pearson, a senior vice president at NORC, a research organization at the University of Chicago. “The political process slows things down.”

In a Medicare-for-all world, private insurers might evolve into contractors for the big government system. They already perform various functions for Medicare, including helping the program manage paying its bills. The industry could retain that role, or take on new responsibilities.

“The government would have to build out infrastructure if they were to shut down all the private insurance companies,” said Mark Bertolini, the former chief executive of Aetna, now part of CVS Health. “It’s not that simple pulling all that apart.”

nyt
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 10:03 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Medicare for All Would Abolish Private Insurance.

A stupid idea and un-affordable, nothing but a power grab by politicians who could care less about Americans. There area lot of those around. In fact the Democratic party already favors illegals over citizens.

Individuals right to choose and decide for themselves means nothing to them but it what our Constitution is based on.
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maporsche
 
  2  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 10:05 am
@hightor,
I really wish we could see Medicare 4 All get passed at the state level somewhere and use them as a proving ground.

There has to be a democratic state out there that can get this going.

This would have to be 1000x easier to implement at the state level than at the federal level.
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Lash
 
  0  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 10:44 am
@revelette1,
Nope. Trying to avoid President Donald Trump was why many of them admitted to holding their noses and voting for her despite the fact they didn’t like her.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 11:15 am
https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2019/03/IMG_1505.jpg?resize=469%2C600&ssl=1
https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2019/03/IMG_1505.jpg?resize=469%2C600&ssl=1
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revelette1
 
  4  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 04:04 pm
@Lash,
Oh please, you have some data to back that up? That's an awful lot of people walking into the voting booth holding their noses.


Bernie wouldn't have done as well in popular vote but he might have pulled off a win the in beltway and the swing states and won the presidency. I really don't think he would have made a good president, but I would have voted him just so a republican couldn't get more Justices in the Supreme Court which was the most important thing.

I am not sure why the Black vote didn't turn out for Hillary in general but they turned out for her big time in the primary. It made little sense. I also doubt they would have turned out for Bernie in the general since they didn't in the primary. Maybe by then, they didn't think it mattered one way or another for some reason. Or more than likely, maybe a lot their votes didn't get counted.
maporsche
 
  2  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 04:09 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Maybe by then, they didn't think it mattered one way or another for some reason. Or more than likely, maybe a lot their votes didn't get counted.


I think turnout was drastically affected due to almost everyone and their mother (even Trump himself) thinking that Hillary was going to win. When you think it's going to be a blowout, you start to accept that it might just be ok if you stayed home.

I think A LOT of Jill Stein voters, knowing what they know now, would have chosen to vote for Hillary too. But they, like almost everyone else, thought she had it in the bag and that made it safe to choose a protest vote.

This will be the last I comment on 2016 for a long while. 2020 is so much more important. For the primary, I'm going with the slogan #AnybodyButBernie. If he makes it to the nomination, I'll hold my nose and vote for him rather than doing a stupid thing like voting for whomever the Green candidate will be.
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Setanta
 
  3  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 05:15 pm
I would hold my nose and vote for him, too. The most important thing for 2020 is for Democrats, and progressives to stop clawing at Democratic candidates. No more bad-mouth, they will need to be unified.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 05:41 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
No more bad-mouth, they will need to be unified.

Unified to destroy the country. Not going to happen. Some Democrats still love this country.
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Lash
 
  -2  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 06:21 pm
@revelette1,
Nose holding for Clinton:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2017-04-13/hillary-clintons-likability-problem-has-nothing-to-do-with-her-womanhood%3fcontext=amp
Excerpt:
An Unlikable Woman

Ashley Pratte • April 13, 2017, at 9:55 a.m.
Last week, at the 8th annual Women in the World Summit, Hillary Clinton linked her election loss to her success and ambition. She claimed, " the more successful and therefore ambitious a woman is, the less likable she becomes."

Clinton certainly had a likability problem during her presidential campaign, but it was due to her untrustworthiness, which she never overcame in the polls with the American public. With her email scandal looming large over her campaign, she saw her support drop. The email scandal and the ensuing investigation that plagued Clinton, along with the spotlight on the ethics of the Clinton Foundation, painted her as distrustful. Her likability had nothing to do with her ambition and success as a woman but with how she conducted herself when she held positions of power.

There are plenty of men and women (myself included) who are ready to see a female president in the White House. Unfortunately, Clinton wasn't the right person for the job. Clinton was a terribly flawed candidate, and the election was hers to lose. Even with the amount of gaffes, unfavorability and missteps of the Trump campaign she was still not able to overcome her untrustworthiness perception.

Let's remember she was so unpopular that a 74-year-old socialist proved to be a major threat to her during the primary season, taking the wind out of the sails of her campaign. Clinton went into the general election tattered and torn and had to desperately pander to a base she lost touch with – her greatest downfall.

Additionally, Clinton was faced with blunders of her own – one in particular cost her big time. When she participated in a CNN Townhall in March she said as president she was going to " put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business." This comment haunted Clinton throughout the rest of the campaign specifically with blue-collar voters, who ultimately gave Trump the presidency.

While there are many conversations to be had about gender stereotyping in the media, and there are still many glass ceilings to be shattered, Clinton's success and ambition weren't the reasons for her election loss – and she does a disservice to women everywhere by saying they were.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-dear-hillary-20170607-story,amp.html
Excerpt:
“Negative voting” is higher for Trump than it was for past GOP candidates. While most Republican voters say Trump does represent the party’s core principles, they are divided over whether they are mostly voting “for” him or “against” Clinton. In our most recent survey, 51% of registered voters supporting Trump say they see their choice as more of a vote against Clinton than a vote for Trump. That is the highest share of “negative voting” among supporters of Republican candidates dating back to George W. Bush’s first presidential race in 2000.
——————————
I can bring about 10 more. It’s ill-advised to try to argue against the resounding fact that Hillary Clinton is generally and historically disliked.

I think I have an email from her own campaign alluding to the general dislike of her that prefaces their decision to bolster Trump using their media contacts because they believed she was so unpopular, she could only win against him.

And a big oops on that.




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Lash
 
  -2  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 06:27 pm
Wonder how many I can find with ‘held their noses’ in the title...haha

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-nose-holders-election-grossman-20160803-column,amp.html
Excerpt:
Never before have both parties run candidates so widely unpopular — even within their own rank and file. If the ballot had an appropriate box to check, the next president elect of the United States could be: "None of the above."
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Lash
 
  -2  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 06:38 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2H_Ua_X4AMu259?format=png&name=900x900
😛
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Lash
 
  -3  
Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 06:41 pm
Some Bernie Bros
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2TjY4VXcAAOft-?format=jpg&name=large
 

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