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revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 03:49 pm
@neptuneblue,
There needs to be more a in depth look at free higher education/job training for poverty whites as well as minorities. I mean most don't need to go to college and learn all kinds of extra subjects which won't help find a job. I mean if you going to become a human resource counselor (whatever it is called) or something like, just take courses and training in that field and if you in bad shape economically, it should be free. There should be free two year colleges focused entirely on job related courses and training. I don't understand why people don't come up with common sense proposals rather than everything so starkly black and white (so to speak.)
revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 03:55 pm
@oralloy,
I know it is complete waste of time asking you to read the following from the Guardian, but it is an excellent article concerning the whole Omar issue without getting bogged down nasty politics.

So for other who might be interested: (someone might have already posted it.)

Ilhan Omar and the weaponisation of antisemitism
Joshua Leifer


Quote:
Joshua Leifer
Joshua Leifer is an associate editor at Dissent. Previously, he worked at +972 Magazine and was based in Jerusalem

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/joshua-leifer
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 03:56 pm
https://rightwingconservativenews.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/1d07f392-ea06-4df3-b74f-4cca73d25879.jpeg?w=616
Pretty scary.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 03:58 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
It should not be difficult to recognize the meaningful distinction between Ilhan Omar’s recent comments and the kind of antisemitism surging on the right

Bullshit. A myth.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 04:11 pm
Quote:
So let me get this straight: The president of the United States has called neo-Nazis “very fine people”; retweeted neo-Nazis; told an audience of Jewish-Americans that Israel is “your country”; and indulged in viciously anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. While running for office, he tweeted an image of Hillary Clinton inside a Star of David, next to a pile of cash; told an audience of Jewish donors, “You want to control your politicians, that’s fine”; and put out a campaign ad that attacked three rich and powerful Jewish figures. While a private citizen, he insisted only “short guys that wear yarmulkes” should count his money and kept a book of Adolf Hitler’s speeches on his bedside table.

He has never apologized for any of this. Nor has he been censured by Congress.

In the House, Republican members have referred to themselves as “David Duke without the baggage,” accused Soros of turning on his “fellow Jews” and taking “the property that they owned,” claimed that Soros funded the far-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017, sat on panels with white nationalists, invited a Holocaust denier to the State of the Union, and tweeted that three Jewish billionaires — Soros, Michael Bloomberg, and Tom Steyer — were trying to “buy” the midterms. On Sunday, Rep. Jim Jordan tweeted that Steyer — whose name he spelled as “$teyer” and whose father is Jewish — was trying to influence Rep. Jerry Nadler (who is Jewish) to investigate Donald Trump.

None of these Republicans have ever apologized. Nor have they been censured by Congress.

Trump and the Republicans’ favorite cable channels, Fox News and Fox Business Network, have run segments in which guests have referred to the State Department as “Soros-occupied” and accused Soros of working with the Nazis, while top-rated Fox host Sean Hannity used to regularly interview a neo-Nazi on his radio show. Their favorite news website, Breitbart, has referred to columnist Bill Kristol as a “renegade Jew” and to columnist Anne Applebaum as a “Polish, Jewish, American elitist.” Their favorite talk radio host Rush Limbaugh has spoken of a “Jewish lobby” and was accused of “borderline” anti-Semitism by the Anti-Defamation League for his comments about Jewish bankers.

Last October, a far-right conspiracy theorist — who, like the president and other prominent Republicans, blamed “globalists” like Soros for allowing immigrant “invaders” to come into the United States — shot and killed 11 Jewish worshippers in the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh. To quote Adam Serwer of The Atlantic: “The apparent spark for the worst anti-Semitic massacre in American history was a racist hoax inflamed by a U.S. president seeking to help his party win a midterm election.”

On Wednesday, however, the House Democratic leadership will try and formally censure Rep. Ilhan Omar — a black Somali-American Muslim woman who came to the United States as a refugee, and who, in recent days, has been compared to the 9/11 terrorists by Republicans in West Virginia and described as “filth” by an adviser to the president — for saying that she wanted “to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is OK for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country.” Her fellow congressional Democrats have said little or nothing about the aforementioned and shameful Republican record of anti-Semitism, but many have joined the pile-on against Omar. One of them — Rep. Juan Vargas — went out of his way to insist, rather revealingly, that “questioning support for the U.S.-Israel relationship is unacceptable.”

So my simple point is this: Whether or not you agree with Omar’s remarks, whether or not you were personally offended, anyone who tells you that these nonstop, bipartisan political attacks on her are about fighting anti-Semitism is gaslighting you.


https://theintercept.com/2019/03/05/republicans-and-democrats-say-their-criticism-of-ilhan-omar-is-about-anti-semitism-theyre-gaslighting-you/
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 04:13 pm
@revelette1,
There already are . It's called the Pell Grant. Demonstrable financial need earns more grant money. Thea's what the FAFSA does, is look at the student's financial need, base the percentage of contribution and calculates the grant.

Once that happens, and the Pell Grant is awarded, then the amount left over is the student's responsibility. The Stafford Loan is guaranteed, no one gets turned down. NO ONE. Not a man or a woman. Not white or black. Or rich or even if they're poor. Especially not if they're poor. No matter if they're 18, 28, 38 or even 58. That's how it is structured. Though I do believe it cuts out at 65, which ALL tuition is FREE as a senior citizen (within certain guidelines)

There's other grants, scholarships, fellowships and work-study programs. It all takes the ambition to LOOK for them, APPLY for them and ACCEPT them. This isn't rocket science but it does take some time and energy to do that.

This IS the common sense approach. Nothing is "free."

revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 04:15 pm
Livestream Tonight: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the New Left
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 04:20 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
So my simple point is this: Whether or not you agree with Omar’s remarks, whether or not you were personally offended, anyone who tells you that these nonstop, bipartisan political attacks on her are about fighting anti-Semitism is gaslighting you.

The person that wrote that has been gaslighted. You are making the offender the victim. Excusing hate for political gain. Not giving one fck about the truth. Shame on her. Confused
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revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 04:20 pm
@neptuneblue,
I have never went to college, but I do have a 16 year old grandchild who currently living with me. So to ask a stupid question, do you have pay back Pell Grants? Also, my daughter (the mother) was born with complicated brain malformation, so is disabled and receives benefits. In that case, I am hopeful with my granddaughter grades (4.0)she will get money she don't have to pay back for years and years. She is still a sophomore so she has time to look into everything. I do know she is already starting to look into and she went through grants and she is not eligible on the information she looked at not being a minority. But probably it was limited.

I was just saying more folks should go to community college and only take courses with their career goal in mind and not mess around like a college kids do.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 04:24 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
I was just saying more folks should go to community college and only take courses with their career goal in mind and not mess around like a college kids do.

A lot of welders have six figure incomes. Skilled labor will always make money.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 04:28 pm

No wonder, huh?
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 04:28 pm
@revelette1,
No, Pell Grants you never have to pay back. And, it's not the only grant either. You should go to the FAFSA website and look around. Your high school should have information at the guidance counselor's office. Our high school had info nights for parents and student starting in their junior year. Look into if that's offered where you're at.

Not every kid is college material. High school tech/vo-ed programs are structured to teach a child a vocation while they're still in high school. Most districts combine their programs for a wide variety of non- and pre- college level courses. Check out the compac in your area.

Federal Student Aid offers several different types of financial aid programs.

Pell Grant – A grant of up to $5,815 (as of the 2016-17 Award Year) for students with a low expected family contribution.[14] A 2016 NerdWallet study found that students missed out on $2.7 billion in free federal Pell grants by not completing the FAFSA.[15]

Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant (FSEOG) - A grant up to $4,000 for eligible students and the award is available for Undegraduate students.

Stafford Loan – As of July 1, 2015, any Federal Direct subsidized loan will have a fixed interest rate of 4.29% and the interest is paid by the government while the student is enrolled at least half time. The Federal Direct unsubsidized loan also has a fixed interest rate of 4.29% and accumulates onto the outstanding balance.[16]

Federal Perkins Loan – A loan that is like the Stafford but is lent directly by schools that are Title IV-eligible. Interest rate is fixed at 5%.[17]

The Federal Work-Study Program – A program where students can get part-time work, up to a certain amount. In most cases, the federal government pays half of a student's wage and the school pays the other half.
maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 04:45 pm
@revelette1,
A lot of companies offer tuition reimbursement as well. That’s how I paid for college.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 05:16 pm
Quote:
Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
Wacky Nut Job @AnnCoulter, who still hasn’t figured out that, despite all odds and an entire Democrat Party of Far Left Radicals against me (not to mention certain Republicans who are sadly unwilling to fight), I am winning on the Border. Major sections of Wall are being built...
2:04 PM - 9 Mar 2019

How weird is it that one must agree with either Ann Coulter OR Donald Trump.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 05:17 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
I have never went to college

Throat-clearing sound.
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 05:20 pm
Dear Lord, please help us in this time of need.
Quote:
Roy Moore Is ‘Seriously Considering’ Running For Senate Again In 2020
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 05:23 pm
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2018/10/17/student-loan-debt-crisis

America’s Student Loan Debt Crisis Is About to Get Much Worse

Students stage a demonstration at the Hunter College, which is a part of New York City University, to protest ballooning student loan debt for higher education and rally for tuition-free public colleges in New York on November 13, 2015.

While Wall Street and U.S. President Donald Trump tout news of a booming stock market and low unemployment, college students may be quick to roll their eyes. The improved economy has yet to mean higher wages for graduates already struggling to pay down massive debt, let alone ease the minds of students staring down the barrel of six-digit loan obligations yet to come.

Federal student loans are the only consumer debt segment with continuous cumulative growth since the Great Recession. As the cost of tuition and borrowing continue to rise, the result is a widening default crisis that even Fed Chairman Jerome Powell labeled as a cause for concern.

Student loans have seen almost 157 percent in cumulative growth over the last 11 years. By comparison, auto loan debt has grown 52 percent while mortgage and credit card debt actually fell by about 1 percent, according to a Bloomberg Global Data analysis of federal loans. All told, there’s a whopping $1.4 trillion in federal student loans out there (through the second quarter of 2018), marking the second largest household debt segment in the country, after mortgages. And the number keeps growing.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 05:52 pm
This long, drawn-out “I’ve made my decision, I’m just not announcing it yet” tease by Beto O’Rourke has gotten old quickly.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 06:06 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
I know it is complete waste of time asking you to read the following from the Guardian,
Antisemitic tripe is certainly a waste of time.

revelette1 wrote:
but it is an excellent article concerning the whole Omar issue without getting bogged down nasty politics.
What is so great about hate speech?


Joshua Leifer wrote:
she was careful not to conflate the pro-Israel lobby (which is also comprised of non-Jewish evangelical Zionists) or the state of Israel with all Jews
Attempts to disguise antisemitism by directing horrible false accusations "at Israel" instead of "at Jews" are transparent and do not fool anyone.

Joshua Leifer wrote:
a government that commits human rights abuses -- some of which, the UN recently warned, may be war crimes
And here we are. False accusations of imaginary atrocities. Antisemitism to the core.

Joshua Leifer wrote:
Trump's own long history of antisemitic remarks, which include his claim that among neo-Nazis marching in Charlottesville in August 2017, "there were some very fine people".
There is nothing wrong with people opposing the left's anti-southerner bigotry.

Joshua Leifer wrote:
Ilhan Omar's criticism of US support for the Israeli government's policies may make some people uncomfortable -- and perhaps it even should. But such criticism does not constitute antisemitism,
Wrong. Falsely accusing Israel of imaginary atrocities counts as antisemitism.
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