blatham
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 03:49 pm
@maporsche,
It is politically smart, obviously, but it is also a much more reasoned way to carry on as it puts issues up front and acts as an impediment to the sorts of attacks folks with bad intentions will do everything possible to forward.

And as I think we all know, this is a weak point for modern media coverage as they will tend to run pieces that are superficial, lazy and emotionally resonant (Klobuchar is a meany).
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 03:55 pm
Quote:
Landmark prison reforms in the Trump administration’s recently enacted First Step Act would have been roundly rejected by conservative politicians had they been pushed by the country’s first black president, Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant (R) admitted on Saturday.

“President Obama couldn’t have done it,” Bryant said during a criminal justice reform panel discussion at the National Governors Association winter meeting in Washington, D.C.

“Because quite honestly, a lot of us probably would’ve screamed and hollered, ‘Oh, oh my goodness, he’s gonna turn ‘em all out on our communities, and there’s gonna be pillaging and crime, and — there they go again’.”
TP
He's exactly right, of course.

I haven't followed this issue closely but the Koch boys were pushing for the bill. Their calculations are not clear to me but regardless, it is a welcome and long overdue initiative.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 04:16 pm
Judge rules all-male military draft unconstitutional
BY MICHAEL BURKE - 02/24/19 01:46 PM EST 403

A federal judge in Texas ruled Friday that the all-male military draft is unconstitutional.

U.S. District Judge Gray Miller of the Southern District of Texas wrote in an opinion that the "time has passed" to discuss the place of women in the military.

“While historical restrictions on women in the military may have justified past discrimination, men and women are now ‘similarly situated for purposes of a draft or registration for a draft.’ If there ever was a time to discuss ‘the place of women in the Armed Services,’ that time has passed," Miller wrote.

Miller's ruling comes after a lawsuit was brought by the National Coalition for Men, which describes itself as seeking to raise "awareness about the ways sex discrimination affects men and boys."

The Selective Service System requires that all men register with the agency within 30 days of their 18th birthday.

Miller's ruling was made as a declaration and not an injunction, meaning the court didn't specifically say how the government should change the Selective Service System, USA Today reported.

Marc Angelucci, an attorney for the men who brought the lawsuit, told USA Today that the ruling is "symbolic" to some extent.

"But it does have some real-world impact," Angelucci added. "Either they need to get rid of the draft registration, or they need to require women to do the same thing that men do."

oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 04:18 pm
@neptuneblue,
Cool. I hope it stands on appeal.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 04:26 pm
@oralloy,
I do as well. It's long overdue.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 05:08 pm
I didn't know they were still required to register at all.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 06:08 pm
Just as kind of a reminder, whatever political policies one might think preferable, I hope we'd all agree that this is the sort of thing we would like to see more of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWXUWepSak4
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 08:11 pm
Tonytig talking about Bernie Sanders.

https://youtu.be/BX216znrtP0
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 10:13 pm
For personal considerations I have been holding off participation. Will get back into it when I can.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 06:09 am
I'm posting this Ed Kilgore piece in full as it directly related to a key point we've been talking about Will 2020 Democrats Help Trump By Destroying Each Other?

We’re now well under a year away from the Iowa caucuses, and an unusually — perhaps uniquely — large Democratic field is forming to compete for the opportunity to face Donald J. Trump in 2020. It is highly appropriate that before the festivities intensify, multiple voice are being raised to remember the wolf at the door before engaging in any intramural fisticuffs.

At the American Prospect, veteran labor political operative Steve Rosenthal offers four “rules” for 2020 Democrats in order to avoid a “circular firing squad” that helps Trump win the general election.

Quote:
* Don’t try to stifle new ideas, new opinions, or new plans.

* Democrats need a robust debate on the issues instead of misleading or attack ads aimed at tearing each other down.

* Every Democratic candidate should sign a pledge that they will give their wholehearted support to whoever eventually wins the party’s.


Rosenthal’s fourth guideline he calls the “Two-For-One Rule:”
Quote:
Last month, a friend of mine suggested that all the Democratic presidential candidates (and their supporters — that includes super PACs) refrain from being overly negative about the other Democratic candidates in the field. He said any time he feels tempted to say or write something bad about one of the candidates, he would precede it with two positive things.


In the same vein, progressive economist Jared Bernstein in a Washington Post op-ed suggested that 2020 Democrats (and presumably the media) constantly keep in mind that on policy issues “you would need a high-powered electron microscope to see the difference among the Democrats, compared with the difference between them and the Republicans.” And his big “rule,” borrowed from another Democratic veteran, Ron Klain, is even simpler than Rosenthal’s:

Quote:
A debate about ideas is healthy, a debate about motives is not. The Democrats should hash out their differences in 2020 without slashing up one another — not casting aspirations on each other’s integrity, motivation or intentions. It is that latter path that creates an opening for Trump’s reelection in 2020.


Both these pleas (and others like it) are based on a common understanding of several unique things about the 2020 race:

1. The stakes of a general election win could not be much higher. Horrible as having Trump as the 45th president has been, a second term would be potentially catastrophic for progressives. The impact on the Supreme Court alone could be seismic. The battle against climate change could be lost for good. The odds of a stupid war or a global economic meltdown would go way up. And a second loss to Trump would be so discouraging to progressive voters that the Democratic Party’s very future might be endangered. Some activists and operatives think it’s critical the ideological direction of the Democratic Party be decisively turned in one direction or another in 2020. Important as a “struggle for the soul of the party” may be, it cannot possibly be as important as denying Trump’s reelection.

2. Trump and his media allies will ruthlessly take advantage of any Democratic divisions or exposed candidate weaknesses. There has never been a president or presidential nominee swifter than Trump in weaponizing conflicts in the opposing party, and he fully understands it’s the only way he can win, as Michael Tomasky points out in a rueful reflection on how the 2016 Democratic primaries played a big role in Trump’s win:

Quote:
The only way Trump can win is by convincing millions of people that the Democrat is just unacceptable under any circumstances. This will involve a campaign of horrendous lies and smears against whoever is the nominee. He will catch the scent of that nominee’s weakness, and he will hammer at it and hammer at it, hoping to scare tremulous and confused voters into voting for him.

Given that reality, there is really only one terrible and unforgivable thing the Democratic contenders can do to one another, and that is to use the primary season to expose that Achilles Heel and worsen it. This is what Sanders did with respect to Clinton in 2016. By calling her corrupt and in hock to Wall Street, he set up Trump’s “Crooked Hillary” line of attack.


This isn’t just about Sanders, to be clear. There’s no question that had Bernie won the nomination, Clinton’s criticisms of him as an extremist would have instantly made their way into Trump’s campaign rhetoric.

3. The sheer size of the 2020 Democratic field will make personal attacks and exaggeration of issue differences unusually tempting. A candidate staring at a five-point deficit and an empty campaign treasury before a key, must-win primary would likely considering selling off their children for a well-timed day of media dominance, and unfortunately nothing works quite like a negative attack, whether it’s personal or ideological. But 2020 may be exactly the wrong year to assume Democrats can laugh off conflicts and kiss and make up after the primaries are over (if, indeed, the primaries even produce a clear winner). The only way to head off this dynamic is if other candidates along with party leaders and activists come down like the wrath of God on any candidate that succumbs to the temptation of straying over the line into attacks on a rival’s character or motives, or forgets to remind listeners that any differences on issues are laughably small when compared to the terrifying agenda of the GOP.

4. It’s not enough for candidates to play nice with each other: They need to rebuke supporters who don’t and won’t. Anyone with the least understanding of social media knows that it won’t cut any ice if presidential candidates stay above-board while their most passionate supporters go after opponents with a tire iron — a tool that will be happily picked up by Team Trump the minute it’s discarded. Of course politicians can’t control everything their fans say and do. But public criticism may usefully shame the worst offenders into some self-control. Tomasky addresses a personal plea to Bernie Sanders:

Quote:
[I[ntensity leads many of his backers to the Bernie or Bust view of things. And it’s incumbent upon him to say to them, “No, let’s not have that again; of course I want the nomination, but if the voters decide otherwise, they decide otherwise, and the important thing is to stay together and not hand Trump ammunition.”

Again, Sanders is not the only candidate whose supporters may go over the line. They should all preemptively demand a certain degree of civility, and agree in advance to accept defeat quickly if and when it happens. The Clinton-Sanders mutual grievances are still infecting intra-Democratic discourse to this day; another round of similar recriminations in 2020 could be even more harmful.

Soon we will be into the heat of the nomination race, and making up rules for civility on the fly won’t be practicable. It would be smart for Democrats right now to make sure that on November 4, 2020, they aren’t looking down the barrel of an eight-year Trump presidency and wondering how their party blew it again.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 08:02 am
AOC rips Dianne Feinstein after her confrontation with kids over Green New Deal
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/aoc-rips-dianne-feinstein-after-her-confrontation-with-kids-over-green-new-deal?fbclid=IwAR3Y656TZd4N2sQ_Jtl39pg1qO_TQyzCH-Ox8sEJIMdMBfwWMpXvMehqKtE
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Brand X
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 08:16 am
@edgarblythe,
All the more reason these pie in the sky 'plans' should be carefully scrutinized. Medicare for all would cost X trillions when the Medicare that's in place now isn't fully funded. The trillions of debt should be paid down before we stack on anymore costly programs with 'invented money'... and I'm not hearing enough talk about debt reduction. Obviously no one in charge has cared about that in decades.

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Brand X
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 08:19 am
The new DNC debate rules.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-dncs-debate-rules-wont-make-the-2020-primaries-any-less-chaotic/

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Brand X
 
  2  
Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 09:45 am
You can't be morally right while being factually wrong as Alexandria Occasional Cortex usually is.... because she doesn't care about facts. She's no more factual than Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMZNcxdoCA

Olivier5
 
  3  
Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 10:00 am
@Brand X,
I believe that AOC care more about facts than anyone comparing her to Trump...
Brand X
 
  2  
Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 10:11 am
@Olivier5,
Why? Tump thinks he's morally right but he doesn't care about facts, how is that different from her?
edgarblythe
 
  0  
Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 10:13 am
All the Democratic 2020 presidential contenders, except Bernie: No need to vote for Bernie. We all now are Bernie.

Bernie: After the election I just might be the only one that of a certainty can still make the claim.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 12:36 pm
AP has an incredibly thorough time line of events and persons in the Russian steps to influence the last election drawn from Mueller court records. This is a keeper. https://apnews.com/2b8513d4a4224a559d7048edb396cdfd
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 12:38 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
AP has an incredibly thorough time line of events and persons in the Russian steps to influence the last election drawn from Mueller court records.

You are in the wrong thread, spaminator.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Mon 25 Feb, 2019 03:24 pm
@Brand X,
Tump doesn’t think (or care) that he's morally right, for one thing...
 

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