coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 10:36 am
https://lidblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/soc-1200x630.jpg

https://lidblog.com/socialist-dismantle-fox-news/
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Lash
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 10:59 am
Venezuela, as understood by progressives:

Excerpt:

FEB 22, 2019OPINION | TD ORIGINALS

A Call to Halt an Illegal Invasion of Venezuela
By A Serviceman, Kevin Tillman

People hoist a Venezuelan flag near the Tienditas International Bridge, on the border between Colombia and Venezuela, on Friday. (Fernando Vergara / AP)
It seems like every time I pick up a newspaper or go online, our country is starting another war. As a veteran of both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, I am consumed by the situation in Venezuela, which is becoming more and more concerning.

I’m not a war correspondent, and I don’t have a Ph.D. in political science. But I have seen these conflicts firsthand, and I have felt the effects. Like many in this country, I have lost family members and friends in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I don’t want anyone else to have to experience that. Unfortunately, the inertia over regime change in Venezuela bears a striking resemblance to what happened in the lead-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.

As one of the soldiers who illegally invaded Iraq, this scares me. I know an illegal coup/invasion when I see one. I knew it before being deployed to Iraq, but it became even more clear as we wandered around Baghdad looking for weapons of mass destruction that did not exist.

As was the case in Iraq, there are no legal or moral grounds to intervene in the affairs of Venezuela and no international laws to support such an intervention. There is nothing in the Constitution that sanctions meddling in the elections of a foreign country, and nothing in the Venezuelan constitution that legitimizes self-appointed presidents. Venezuela is not a threat. Venezuela is not firing missiles at the United States, attacking our allies or invading the U.S. with troops.


Sadly, the propaganda spewing from the mouths of American politicians and pundits is as predictable as it is hollow: “Venezuela is socialist.” “Their economy is in shambles.” “Their government is corrupt.” “There is food instability.” “There is a humanitarian crisis.”

What’s missing in the attempt to justify the overthrow of President Nicolas Maduro is recognition of the fact that many nations around the world are, to some degree, socialist, have economic challenges and battle corruption. There are humanitarian crises all over the globe. Are all those governments somehow illegitimate and therefore candidates for a U.S.-orchestrated coup?

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To be clear, this is not an endorsement of Maduro, any more than I endorsed former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (nor am I comparing the two). This is about our leaders thinking they have the right to interfere in the affairs of any country they choose. Not only is regime change illegal and morally wrong, it has proved to be disastrous.

Yes, Venezuela has problems. Many appear to be self-induced; others are circumstantial, like the massive drop in oil prices, which, combined with harsh, U.S.-led economic sanctions, is particularly devastating, considering that more than 90 percent of Venezuela’s export earnings come from oil revenue. Venezuelans also are dealing with a politically divided country, a situation to which I believe everyone in the U.S. can relate. However, it’s the external problems that I find most concerning. It is pretty clear from where I sit that the U.S. is waging illegal economic warfare against the people of Venezuela. From the sanctions to the freezing of assets to the blocking of Venezuela from the international financial system, this is what appears to be driving that country over the edge. So as our leaders publicly lament this “humanitarian crisis,” behind the scenes, that is exactly what they want.

Why this coup is taking place is transparent. Some of our government officials are actually telling us. Our leaders, yet again, feel entitled to another country’s resources. As was the case in Iraq, Venezuela’s oil reserves are not controlled by U.S. corporations or a pliant government. They are owned by the people of Venezuela. It is theirs and nobody else’s. This means the oil cannot be looted by Western corporations or controlled for political purposes by outside forces.

Unless, of course, a coup takes place and the oil is taken by force. That is what it appears our leaders are going to do. In all fairness to members of the Trump administration, this belligerence toward Venezuela did not start with them. It is merely an extension of previous administrations’ policies. If Venezuelans believe Maduro has mismanaged their nation’s most valuable asset, it is their right to seek change, but this is not a right enjoyed by Donald Trump, Nancy Pelosi or Elliott Abrams.

Like Iraq, our interference is not about liberating the Venezuelan people from some tyrannical regime. Nor is it about saving them from starvation. So please don’t allow our leaders to use the goodness inside of you as a weapon for your own manipulation. The goal is to pillage and plunder a vulnerable nation. It is evident that our representative leaders don’t care about the health and welfare of the Venezuelan people any more than they cared about the Iraqi people.

If they cared, they would consult with the Venezuelan government and ask how the U.S. might provide unconditional assistance. If they cared, they would let Venezuelans sort out their own problems democratically. If they cared about democracy, sovereignty, individual rights, human rights and the rule of law, then they would keep their hands off of Venezuela.

Tomorrow is a critical day for Venezuela. The U.S. and the coup leaders plan to illegally bring $30 million worth of “aid” into Venezuela, which has been explicitly rejected by the Venezuelan government. The aid is being refused because the Venezuelan government understands that its humanitarian crisis is in part being caused by the same nation offering aid in bad faith. What makes the offer a sick joke is that Venezuela is estimated to be losing $30 million a day in oil revenue. This fraudulent olive branch is so transparently a political weapon that even the Red Cross and the United Nations are crying foul.

No matter how ridiculous the coordinated event sounds, history has shown that these gambits for power can and do work. The Trump administration and Venezuelan coup leaders are hoping for a spark, a catalyst, a skirmish to justify a U.S. invasion—anything that will create just enough chaos to open up this window of opportunity. It is reminiscent of the U.S. propaganda surrounding Saddam and weapons inspectors. It is meant to be an inciting event.

The heartbreaking reality is that if this is successful, Venezuelans could be killed, wounded, psychologically damaged or displaced at a level commensurate to what happened to the Iraqis. The fabric of Venezuelan society could be destroyed for generations. And yet again, U.S. soldiers and Marines will be shipped out for an illegal war to kill or be killed, wound or be wounded, and suffer or cause all kinds of trauma—a war the Venezuelans and our men and women in uniform could be fighting for years. I don’t want this to happen.

No country should have to suffer this fate. No soldier should have to participate in such an operation. No nation should ever do such a thing. And no democracy should allow its leaders to commit such crimes in our name.

I beg our elected representatives and anyone with authority inside our government to halt this strategy of aggression and put an end to what threatens to become a new cycle of violence
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 11:02 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Dialogs between people posting here are more conversational so backing up an opinion by drawing attention to someone else's more elaborately detailed opinion can be useful. Simply dismissing reference to an off-site opinion as "hypocrisy writ large" seems a bit harsh.
Like any group or community activity, these boards are what we make of them. Ill-informed or angry pissing contests or duels don't interest me at all. They have pretty much the same value as a drunken bar fight. Far better, it seems to me, is to use the incredible opportunities for information-access and learning that the internet and HTML links provide. And why on earth would we wish to limit discussion to what we members engaged already "know" or think we know? Why refuse to bring in the opinions of others particularly where they hold real expertise, knowledge, grasp and intelligence? Why not challenge ourselves more?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 11:46 am
@blatham,
You don’t. Why should George?
You shy away or find flimsy reasons to dismiss information that’s not aligned with your opinion-as evidenced by this thread of conversation.

Hey, physician...
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 11:47 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Venezuela, as understood by progressives:
Excerpt:
FEB 22, 2019OPINION | TD ORIGINALS
A Call to Halt an Illegal Invasion of Venezuela
By A Serviceman, Kevin Tillman
Who says we are going to invade Venezuela?

All progressives want is to forcibly starve people to death just like their idols Stalin and Mao did.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 11:49 am
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 11:50 am
@oralloy,
You made me laugh. Doofus.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 11:51 am
@oralloy,
Lash to Oralloy: We are poising ourselves to invade Venezuela.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 12:04 pm
@edgarblythe,
Which one of his 3 houses was he at when he said that?
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 12:08 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
We are poising ourselves to invade Venezuela.
I find that unlikely.

I would oppose such an invasion if it did happen though. It's not worth a single drop of American blood.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 12:11 pm
Quote:
How the Socialists Will Steal Election 2020


Quote:
The key to understanding how socialists posing as progressives are trying to take over Election 2020 is understanding exactly who Senator Bernie Sanders really is. Everyone who can read or write knows Sanders is a lifelong socialist who made it rich riding on the coat tails of Capitalist America. What some folks may not know is that he’s in the race merely to make Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Michelle Obama, Joe Biden et al look good.


He’s there to frighten folk into voting for a progressive rather than a socialist—never knowing that they are one and the same thing.

https://canadafreepress.com/article/how-the-socialists-will-steal-election-2020
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 12:24 pm
@coldjoint,
All congress members have more than one home. They have to maintain a residence in their home state, and they have to have a place to live in DC.

Jane Sanders’ parents died and left her their estate which included a house.

They sold it.

Find s good critique of him, won’t you? That one’s retarded.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 12:53 pm
Here's someone speaking sense about this round of over the top progressive ideas.


'In their zeal to match the sweeping rhetoric of right-wing populism, Democrats are spinning out dramatic proposals in which facts are sometimes misrepresented, the numbers occasionally don't add up, and emotional appeal tends to trump actual policy analysis.

When Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., was confronted recently by Anderson Cooper on "60 Minutes" about an egregious misstatement about Pentagon spending, she responded, "I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right."

Perhaps this casual attitude toward facts explains the way that she and many others on the left have misrepresented the deal that New York offered Amazon to bring a new headquarters there. She claimed New York was going to give away to Amazon $3 billion that could have been used to pay for schoolteachers and subways. But as Mayor Bill de Blasio explained, "this was a deal that was going to bring $27 billion in revenue to the state and city for things like public education, mass transit, affordable housing. And that $3 billion that (Amazon would receive in) incentives was only after we were getting the jobs and getting the revenue."

Moreover, $2.5 billion of those incentives were not specially crafted for Amazon but rather were pre-existing tax credits that it would have qualified for. In return, Amazon would have directly created at least 25,000 high-quality jobs, upgraded infrastructure in Long Island City and offered new educational opportunities.

Or consider the race by prominent Democrats to embrace Medicare-for-all. A variety of expert studies have estimated the total increased government spending for such a program at between $2.5 and $3 trillion a year. Few of the many proposals being floated would likely raise anything close to that revenue. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' Medicare-for-all plan has zero out-of-pocket costs for patients, which would make it more generous than even the plans in Europe and Canada. And if a Herculean effort were made to raise revenue for Medicare-for-all, there would be few easy avenues left to fund any of the other ambitious proposals on the new Democratic wish list.

Universal health care is an important moral and political goal. But the U.S. system is insanely complex, and getting from here to single-payer would probably be so disruptive and expensive that it's not going to happen. There is a path to universal coverage that is simpler: Switzerland has one of the best health care systems in the world, and it's essentially Obamacare with a real mandate. No one on the left is talking about such a model, likely because it feels too much like those incremental policies of the past.

Or consider the tax proposals being tossed around on the left, including a wealth tax championed by Sanders and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren. I understand the appeal of tapping into those vast accumulations of billionaire loot. But there is a reason that nine of the 12 European countries that instituted similar taxes have repealed them in the last 25 years. They massively distort economic activity, often incentivizing people to hide assets, devalue them and create dummy corporations. Faced with a wealth tax, most rich people would likely value and transfer assets the questionable way that Fred Trump did in passing his fortune on to his children.

There are smarter, better ways to address inequality — raise the capital gains tax to the same level as income taxes, increase the estate tax, get rid of the massive loopholes that make the American tax code one of the most complex and corrupt in the world. But again, this is less stirring stuff than burning the billionaires.'

http://www.dailycamera.com/columnists/ci_32470723/fareed-zakaria-democrats-cant-be-casual-about-facts
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 01:08 pm
Good for Bernie
Quote:
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) called on surrogates representing his 2020 presidential campaign in the media to “respectfully engage” his opponents in the Democratic presidential primary, encouraging them to focus on policies rather than personalities.

In the Saturday email to over 100 campaign surrogates obtained by HuffPost, Sanders also preemptively admonished supporters against “bullying and harassment of any kind.”

“As we engage with our opponents in the Democratic primary, we will forcefully present our views and defend ourselves against misrepresentations,” he wrote. “But, let us do our very best to engage respectfully with our Democratic opponents ― talking about the issues we are fighting for, not about personalities or past grievances. I want to be clear that I condemn bullying and harassment of any kind and in any space.”
HP
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 01:15 pm
@Brand X,
I haven't made up my mind about the Amazon/Long Island City thing yet but Zakaria raises some excellent points. Candidates running on progressive platforms need to confront the costs and consequences of their proposals and not use the moral superiority argument. You know what? Being precisely, factually, and semantically correct makes for a much stronger argument. Some of the best arguments I've heard about the need to cut Pentagon spending reflected all three of those qualities.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 02:55 pm
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 03:26 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Good for Bernie
Quote:
“As we engage with our opponents in the Democratic primary, we will forcefully present our views and defend ourselves against misrepresentations,” he wrote. “But, let us do our very best to engage respectfully with our Democratic opponents ― talking about the issues we are fighting for, not about personalities or past grievances. I want to be clear that I condemn bullying and harassment of any kind and in any space.”



Very nice sentiment.
I'll follow his advice.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 03:30 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Being precisely, factually, and semantically correct makes for a much stronger argument. Some of the best arguments I've heard about the need to cut Pentagon spending reflected all three of those qualities.
There is no such thing as a good argument for a reduction in defense spending.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 24 Feb, 2019 03:42 pm
@edgarblythe,
One of the remarkable talents of this lady is her ability to frame a policy issue in moral terms and to do so pithily. She's impressive.
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