Progressives (Liberals)

I'm fairly sure that most of us from time to time ignore relevant complexities in the propositions we put forward. On the other hand, some meaningful innovations come from seeing underlying simplicity that is clouded by merely distracting complexity. This is called wisdom. In the main I believe Trump has indeed concentrated on meaningful simplicities in his principal initiatives. However I agree that he doesn't appear to be one who would readily admit a failing.

Octavio-Cortez is an interesting phenomenon, though I don't think she will wear well over time. Her radical proposals and utterances have certainly got her a lot of attention (perhaps not unlike some of Trump's), but the flaws and non sequiturs in her statements are too numerous and central to the issues she addresses to survive very long.

Successful political leadership required a host of virtues, intellectual, character, and wise understanding of both him/her self and others. Such office rapidly exposes the failings in these areas of all who attempt it.

If she were the deciding vote to reopen the government or not, do you think she would vote to reopen the government, including funding ICE?

Would you want her to vote yes in that situation?

I don't want ICE funded.

It is my opinion that OAC garners all this malevolent scrutiny because she is close to Bernie Sanders. She must be stopped before her influence grows.

So you would have voted to have her single handed let continue the government shutdown?

I think it’s because she keeps putting herself out there and is trying to make a name for herself. As she should be doing if she eants to be the leader of the movement. Leaders get hightened scrutiny though, it comes with the job.

Sqweaky wheel get the grease right?

I would expect the other Democrats to grow some balls and support a good bill, instead of caving, as they have done routinely over the last few decades.

I expect the democrats to reopen the government and govern like adults not pouty toddlers (Trump).

Reopen the government using the same funding levels passed in 2018 and make any changes legislatively. Put bills out there to defund ICe or build a wall. Take actual votes. Do the job you were sent to do.


I’m sick and tired of this shutdown bullshit and the threats of not raising the debt ceiling and similar bullshit tactics.

I only like politicians who want to get it done, not prolong it through increments that never come to fruition.

Make sure you point out to me when that works. I don't want to miss it.

I'm not comfortable with the "things will never get better" attitude. I doubt there will ever be an elected official that everyone in the country believes to be infallible and all-knowing.

That being said, having a can't do attitude, never inspired anyone.

I have more of a “can’t do it alone” attitude.

After thirty years of increments, I would think you would be embarrassed to bring it up.

Never. I’m proud of every incremental step that I’ve been a part of. I’ve only been involved in the last 18 years though.

You can’t hold me responsible for whatever happened in your lifetime. For that matter you can’t really hold the current congress responsible for what was done 30-40 years ago either.

Different people. Different government. Different challenges. Different voters.

As you might expect, I have some disagreements with your assessment of Trump and AOC but otherwise your post does not merit a lot of criticism. So I'm rescinding the order to have you taken out back and chewed to bits by famished immigrants.

Damn tootin'

I’ll never be as far left as you are either Edgar.

I’m sure in your mind that makes me the enemy, but you’re going to need my vote in November to get your people in if they can win the primary.

And if you want me to support your ideas then I’m going to need more than tweets and attacking more center-left Democrats (of which I am one). I like plans attached to my ideas.

You shouldn't need a Bible to tell you to protect our planet, but it does anyway

-AOC



Love it.

You make yourself an enemy. It's like walking out the gate and every single time, a dog latches onto you, trying to tear a hole in everything you have. You attack every single post I make and seem to be lurking to do so. How can I think otherwise?