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@edgarblythe,

I’m my defense, I didn’t think you were reading them anyway, so I was arguing with myself.

@maporsche,

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gets scolded primarily because she is saying things that more experienced politicians know are ‘best’ left unsaid, like about the sheer presure of lobbyists, so engrained that they manage to get into the MP’s induction training. She dared to expose them, and now everybody in the ‘system’ hates her guts...

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The quote below is from a TPM piece this morning on Stone and it contains a joke that deserves appreciation

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Whatever agreement Corsi had with Stone appears to have ended in acrimony. Stone posted a photo of a letter Infowars’s HR director (they have one?) to Corsi dated Jan. 18, telling him, “I cannot indefinitely pay your salary continuation.”

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@maporsche,

I posted directly to you a few pages back, explaining I was done with the ignoring.

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Eric Jackson (of The Panama News)‎ to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Progressives
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This morning's hit piece from a David Brock group. The guy roasted deserves it, but that's beside the point. Brock is the guy who orchestrated the "Bernie Bros" hoax, sending waves of trolls and bots into Bernie groups with sexist messages, they pointing those out to gullible or complicit corporate mainstream media. He is the guy who orchestrated the defamation of Anita Hill. He says he wants to be "the Breitbart of the left."

And see how quickly it spreads in 12 minutes. Not that sort of following so much as an organization to make things go viral if possible, with a network of actual people and historically, with bots.

You see something from Media Matters, or Correct the Record, or American Bridge 21st Century or Priorities USA Action or Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW)? You are seeing Hillary's vicious attack dog.

Know the enemy.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gets scolded primarily because she is saying things that more experienced politicians know are ‘best’ left unsaid, like about the sheer presure of lobbyists, so engrained that they manage to get into the MP’s induction training. She dared to expose them, and now everybody in the ‘system’ hates her guts...

Pretty much the only time I hear about her is when I see posts about how everyone is against her.

But out of curiosity, since I keep hearing about her, I looked up her position on guns last night.

It turns out she favors violating people's civil liberties for fun, so I oppose her on that.

I would consider supporting her if she changed her position and started supporting civil liberties however.

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@edgarblythe,

I don't follow the reasoning in the YT clip: they're seem to be talking about a continuous wall from the Gulf to the Pacific. But even Trump says such a wall would be unnecessary.

In this case the principle that the Dems are upholding is that government shutdowns should not be used as a way to extort specific pieces of legislation. Putting money toward border security isn't "caving" since most of the Democrats have already stated their support for these measures; they just don't agree with spending $5 billion on 230 miles of border fencing as a ticket to reopen the government.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

I don't follow the reasoning in the YT clip...

A VERY common problem with the YT.

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@hightor,

Edgar did mention yesterday that he wouldn’t have a problem keeping the government shut down until ICE was defunded, so I think he probably supports using shutdowns as extortion.

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You probably disagreed with it as soon as you saw the headline.

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I'm not really here to argue so much as present liberal oriented material. If I argue back at times it is only because of the vitriol in certain posts.

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Bernie on Venezuela
The United States should support the rule of law, fair elections and self-determination for the Venezuelan people. We must condemn the use of violence against unarmed protesters and the suppression of dissent

But we must learn the lessons of the past and not be in the business of regime change or supporting coups—as we have in Chile, Guatemala, Brazil & the DR. The US has a long history of inappropriately intervening in Latin American nations; we must not go down that road again. 3/3

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@edgarblythe,

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Brock is the guy who orchestrated the "Bernie Bros" hoax, sending waves of trolls and bots into Bernie groups with sexist messages

I really need to see your evidence for this charge, edgar.

Edit: Also, what Media Matters hit piece? I view this site daily and have (most of the time) for many years. I have never, and I mean never, seen a "hit piece" on any progressive candidate. The function of his site has always been to monitor right wing media (and much less frequently, to point out where mainstream media buy into a rightwing framing).

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

Bernie on Venezuela
The United States should support the rule of law, fair elections and self-determination for the Venezuelan people. We must condemn the use of violence against unarmed protesters and the suppression of dissent

But we must learn the lessons of the past and not be in the business of regime change or supporting coups—as we have in Chile, Guatemala, Brazil & the DR. The US has a long history of inappropriately intervening in Latin American nations; we must not go down that road again. 3/3

It depends on what you mean by intervene. We put no military forces in Chile, Guatemala, Brazil or the DR. However we did exert diplomatic and economic pressure and provide some intelligence support to regimes we favored. In every case the economies and democratic governance of the affected nations were improved, to the evident benefit of the people. The degree of improvement varies by case, but we left things better than they were.

Looking back it appears clear that the Venezuelan people would now be better off and enjoy more freedom if we had resisted Chavez' illicit takeover of the Venezuelan government. (round 2). This promised egalitarian Socialist government turned out to have been an authoritarian, corrupt and incompetent affair from the start. It quickly depleted the income and assets of one of the most richly endowed nations in the world, yielding widespread poverty for all, and now in its dying days tyrannically controlling the access to food, housing and medical care to its few remaining supporters.

Sadly the Chavez/Maduro governments were farsighted enough to let the senior Military officers in on the corruption, so that now they must support the regime for fear of themselves being held accountable by the people if/when the developing revolution succeeds..

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Since I was old enough to know there were countries south of Mexico, I have read how our government has blatantly intervened in the countries to suit its own desires. The mainstream media used to do a better job reporting on it. It's why Cuba had the revolution and why the government still punishes them. We have all sorts of operations going to keep the countries in line. Every time a popular movement elects a government that does not follow US dictates, it is worked on until destabilized and interests more aligned to the US are encouraged to take over. I don't have to defend every government down there. I know most governments down there can be criticized for something. But we are no prime example of humanitarianism but a predator in the region. I have known all of my adult life that what we do there is wrong.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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Brock is the guy who orchestrated the "Bernie Bros" hoax, sending waves of trolls and bots into Bernie groups with sexist messages
I really need to see your evidence for this charge, edgar.

Edit: Also, what Media Matters hit piece? I view this site daily and have (most of the time) for many years. I have never, and I mean never, seen a "hit piece" on any progressive candidate. The function of his site has always been to monitor right wing media (and much less frequently, to point out where mainstream media buy into a rightwing framing)

There are dozens of non mainstream sources saying it. Take your pick. The mainstream media repeats allegations but seems to avoid digging into the facts. They love to otherwise avoid Bernie in any but very brief mentions.

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@edgarblythe,

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The mainstream media used to do a better job reporting on it.

That's true but the major reason this has changed is because very few media entities have dedicated foreign desks anywhere now. The loss of advertising dollars as a consequence of the internet has devastated newspapers' financial status. And that problem has been exacerbated by the increasing consolidation and corporatization of media ownership where, far more than previously, profit is the driving motivation (eg Conrad Black bragging about ridding his papers of reporters and replacing them with sales people).

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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/david-brock-group-hits-bernie-sanders-ethics-complaints

https://dailycaller.com/2017/01/10/david-brock-finally-apologizes-to-bernie-sanders-in-desperate-open-letter/

https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/04/26/bernie-sanders-facebook-groups-controversy/

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@edgarblythe,

Edgar. I like you. Truly, I do. But that is one of the weakest responses to a request for source citations and evidence of claims I've ever seen.

Edit: just saw your links. I'll check them. But... Daily Caller?

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