blatham
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 11:52 am
@maporsche,
yes yes yes
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 11:58 am
@blatham,
As the system works today, no third party can win the White House, in my view. That's the main reason I didn't go around begging liberals to start their own party. Jill Stein's status would be their shared status, in the end. The only answer is to transform one party into the people's party. That ain't ever going to be the Republicans. Today, only a portion of the Democratic Party represents the people. I see signs it may be changing, but I expect some terrible fights ahead. Nobody relinquishes power. That has to be taken.
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:01 pm
Quote:
(...) Until very recently, the entire Congress has remained mostly silent on the human rights nightmare that has unfolded in the occupied territories. Our elected representatives, who operate in a political environment where Israel's political lobby holds well-documented power, have consistently minimized and deflected criticism of the State of Israel, even as it has grown more emboldened in its occupation of Palestinian territory and adopted some practices reminiscent of apartheid in South Africa and Jim Crow segregation in the United States.

Many civil rights activists and organizations have remained silent as well, not because they lack concern or sympathy for the Palestinian people, but because they fear loss of funding from foundations, and false charges of anti-Semitism. They worry, as I once did, that their important social justice work will be compromised or discredited by smear campaigns.

Similarly, many students are fearful of expressing support for Palestinian rights because of the McCarthyite tactics of secret organizations like Canary Mission, which blacklists those who publicly dare to support boycotts against Israel, jeopardizing their employment prospects and future careers.

(...)

michelle alexander nyt

Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:06 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

I've been somewhat familiar with Brock for a long time. I recall, though dimly, his participation in right wing propaganda targeting Anita Hill and in constant right wing attacks on the Clintons (Troopergate, cocaine, murder etc). He was a bad actor of a type too familiar within right wing politics over the last half century. Then, one afternoon, on the road to Damascus....

He figured out he was on the morally wrong side of the equation. He's the chap who set up Media Matters which has been a uniquely valuable operation tracking right wing media. When he turned and set up MM, he immediately became a target of right wing attacks and bile (frequent Bill O'Reilly/Limbaugh target, for example). I can't say I know much about the super PACs he has since been involved with.

He ain't the enemy of the left. Deep skepticism of anyone who portrays him
that way is warranted.

So, obviously Brock became a choirboy after his conversion. Certainly, he left his low tactics behind.

And, per Blatham’s truly incisive political knowledge, Bernie isn’t really a liberal.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/01/17/bernie_sanders_david_brock_is_not_a_clinton_ally_he_is_head_of_their_super_pac.html

Brock and Bernie are enemies. Bernie is the leftest man standing.

Latham, you need to update your material.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:06 pm
I haven't seen any evidence to convince me that Brock is on the side of the liberal faction of Democrats.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:06 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Similarly, many students are fearful of expressing support for Palestinian rights

Bullshit. It is a ticket to acceptance at most universities.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:07 pm
I have seen evidence that Brock is Bernie Sanders’ most virulent enemy.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:08 pm
@hightor,
The US has a bit of a blind spot as regards which foreign nations have worked to influence/control US politics. Israel's influence is far, far greater than Russia's influence.

Edit: surely most folks are aware of Mearsheimer and Walt's study on this, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:11 pm
@blatham,
Israel is a frightening entity - its government
Real Music
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:18 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
https://truthout.org/articles/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-2020-democratic-primary-changes/
What You Need to Know About the 2020 Democratic Primary Changes.

The 2020 Democratic primaries are upon us now that Elizabeth Warren, Obama administration alum Julian Castro and Tulsi Gabbard have announced. And there are rumors that Kristen Gillibrand is also a likely contender, among others.

It looks like it’s going to be the year of the woman, but it’s also going to be a very different election than 2016 — especially because Democrats have made some changes to the way their run their primaries. Here’s what you need to know about those changes and how they might influence the shape of the election.

California, Texas and a number of other states are switching up their primary schedules, holding these elections much earlier in the year. This could dramatically change the game for candidates hoping to stick it out through the early stages of the primaries. Now they’ll need to spend more money on political advertising and make more trips to big-ticket states like California. And that means those states will play a more active role in selecting the 2020 Democratic ticket.

Speaking of schedules, the debate schedule is also being adjusted to accommodate what many suspect will be a very large field of Democratic candidates. There will be 12 primary debates, starting in June of this year. These debates will be broken into two blocks running back to back on different nights to give candidates an opportunity to be heard — and ensure voters don’t have to sit through a six-hour debate. Democrats will randomly select the candidates for each block, mixing it up each time.

They’ll also be cutting down on caucuses, an extremely undemocratic method of narrowing the candidate field. Switching to a primary will allow people to vote on their own schedules and in privacy, rather than in a room full of screaming people. Intimidation in the 2016 caucuses was a recurring theme.

And if you live in an open primary state, be warned: Some states are thinking about closing primaries in 2020 — so if you want to play a role in selecting the Democratic candidate, you should register as a Democrat sooner rather than later.

Similarly, candidates who want to run on the Democratic ticket are required to actually be Democrats in 2020.

While the much-hated superdelegates haven’t been eliminated for 2020, Democrats have chosen to put some checks on their power. They won’t be allowed to vote on the first ballot at the convention unless a candidate has received enough pledged delegates to take the nomination. They’ll continue to be able to assist with campaigns during the primary process, and their role as voters on later ballots at the convention could still prove extremely influential if there’s a close nomination fight.

Many of the reforms Democrats have instituted are designed to increase transparency and make the primary process, well, more democratic. Critics have long argued that the way both parties select candidates in the United States is one that tends to unfairly favor political power and influence, cutting some people out of the conversation before it even begins.

Republicans, meanwhile, are facing their worst nightmare: A growing likelihood that a sitting president will face multiple opponents of his own party in the primaries.

Thank you for providing a link to the article. Above, I reposted your link and I copy and pasted the full article.
I have to admit that I really do like many of the new changes in the upcoming 2020 Democratic presidential primaries.
I don't necessarily agree with every single change, but for the most part, I do like the changes.

The article says "They’ll also be cutting down on caucuses, an extremely undemocratic method of narrowing the candidate field. Switching to a primary will allow people to vote on their own schedules and in privacy, rather than in a room full of screaming people. Intimidation in the 2016 caucuses was a recurring theme".

Yes, I am definitely happy that they are cutting down on the number of caucus states and increasing the number of primary states. I would prefer that they go even further, by converting all caucus states into primary states. That would make me even more happier.

The article also says "if you live in an open primary state, be warned: Some states are thinking about closing primaries in 2020 — so if you want to play a role in selecting the Democratic candidate, you should register as a Democrat sooner rather than later.

Similarly, candidates who want to run on the Democratic ticket are required to actually be Democrats in 2020."


This is another change that makes me happy. I wish that every state were converted into (closed) primaries.

I personally believe it would be (unfair) to us registered democrats to allow people who are not registered as democrats to vote in our primary.

I personally believe it would be (unfair) to us registered democrats to allow someone who is not a registered democrat to run on our ticket.

Everyone has the freedom and the right to register as a democrat if they choose to do so. That is a freedom and a choice.
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:18 pm
@edgarblythe,
I know. One of the great and continuing sadnesses in my life has been watching Israel degrade from what it was at the beginning to what it has now become. As a young man, I wanted to go there and help. Now, I would support pretty much any boycott on the place.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:33 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
I haven't seen any evidence to convince me that Brock is on the side of the liberal faction of Democrats.
Part of my point in these posts here is to advise caution in how we conceive of "sides" within the left universe. To the degree that we frame this as oppositional, to that degree we are working towards movement disintegration (which is what the real other side wants). And though I don't want to delve here into the use of and proper definitions of "liberal", "neoliberal" and "progressive" I am very leery of most examples I come across of these terms (that's why I noted the NYRB article above Here's the link

Re the issue of left supporting super PACs etc, our progress from the present situation where big money is far, far too influential in our system to a system based on small individual donors and government funding, we have to play the hand we're dealt and that does mean not disarming ourselves because we detest guns. This won't be an easy or quick journey (outside of some truly awful civic disaster). We're going to fight about this crap, that's inevitable. But Brock is not your enemy no more than you are mine or than Beto and is an enemy of Nancy Pelosi.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:35 pm
@Real Music,
You’re welcome. A lot of those changes are due to how 2016 drove a lot of infuriated voters to #Demexit.

I like several of the changes, but remain wary of how the establishment intends to circumvent fair elections this go ‘round.

Lash
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:37 pm
It appears they’re trying to keep Independents from voting in the D primary, but we can get around that. I’ll check with state election rules.
Real Music
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:39 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
It appears they’re trying to keep Independents from voting in the D primary, but we can get around that. I’ll check with state election rules.

Change your registration to democrat.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 12:49 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
#Demexit.

I really, really recommend that everyone (who's on twitter) check out this hashtag.
Quote:
TECHNOCORP ™
‏@Technocorp
Replying to @RealCandaceO @AnnCoulter
More importantly, Ann Coulter has consistently advocated for the "entitlements" of the descendants of the first American Blacks, over immigrants.

Dems/MSM buries this to unfairly label her a racist in fear of the black community learning the truth.
#DemExit #BLEXIT


Quote:
Heineken Skywalker
‏@RobbDigital357
All those concessions @POTUS has made & the Dems call it a “non-starter” ? I’ve been disillusioned w/ the Dems for awhile now but I never thought the day would come where I’d vote full Republican.

The sh*t the @TheDemocrats are pulling has gotten utterly ridiculous ... #Demexit


Quote:
Gadfly M ⌛️
@GadflyMorse
Replying to @GadflyMorse @PollyTickal and 2 others
God forbid that a popular politician ala #BernieSanders--who spoke to the needs of working & poor people, incl/obscene inequality in the distribution of wealth-- be allowed any real power. #HillaryClinton & #Obama stopped him via #ElectionFraud.

#DemExit


Quote:
darkchocolate
‏@darkcho59691425
Replying to @charliekirk11
#DemExit it’s the Democratic, Schumer and Pelosi shutdown

edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 01:02 pm
The ones I refer to as establishment Democrats are on the side of enough liberal issues to keep other establishment Democrats on their side. But they only go part way in the correct direction before they stall out and that is why people are becoming independents, Republicans and taking up arms as progressives. Roosevelt's vision has been on life support, sparked by Nixon and Reagan, put on steroids by the morass that is Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama, culminating in Trump. I don't see us as rebels, but the last ones standing, in defense of the people.
maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 01:04 pm
@edgarblythe,
Is there any room in your worldview for the possibility that you're wrong about any of your ideals? Or that going as far as you want to go is less than ideal?
livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 01:06 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Is there any room in your worldview for the possibility that you're wrong about any of your ideals? Or that going as far as you want to go is less than ideal?

When you don't like someone's POV, just start trying to tease doubt out of them instead of discussing their views and ideas critically?
Lash
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 01:09 pm
@blatham,
Yes, you and your band of uninformed really should catch up on the past two years of critical events affecting national politics.

Here’s a primer about the #Demexit:

https://www.salon.com/2016/07/29/10_reasons_why_demexit_is_serious_getting_rid_of_debbie_wasserman_schultz_is_not_enough/

Reasons for the #DemExit

10 reasons why #DemExit is serious: Getting rid of Debbie Wasserman Schultz is not enough
The DNC canned its chair, but it has done little to address the grave concerns raised by its members

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SOPHIA A. MCCLENNEN

JULY 29, 2016 1:57PM (UTC)

Shortly after Bernie Sanders publicly endorsed Hillary Clinton a new hashtag trended on Twitter: #DemExit. The hashtag offered Sanders supporters a chance to vent their frustrations with the Democratic Party and with the sense that their candidate had been pressured into an endorsement. Rather than reach out to these disaffected voters, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) ignored them. Understood within the larger narrative that Sanders supporters were just whining brats who refused to concede and move on, #DemExit was dismissed as just more sour milk.

But now that the latest leak of DNC emails proves that Sanders supporters have a legitimate right to feel cheated, #DemExit increasingly seems like an appropriate response to a rigged system.

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The new leak shows that the DNC never took the Sanders campaign seriously, even when he was winning state after state. Rather than recognize that Sanders was attracting new voters to the party, members of the DNC chose to mock them and close ranks around Clinton.

Here are 10 reasons why the #DemExit movement has a valid reason to want nothing to do with the DNC. Having DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz resign is not enough for #DemExit supporters because their concerns run throughout the ranks of the DNC. Until party leaders take these concerns seriously they will have to spend their convention watching potential voters jump ship.

1. Superdelegates

It is important to recognize that frustrations over party politics are not uniquely tied to the email leaks. The frustration over the superdelegate system is one clear example that distrust of the DNC goes deeper. The fact that the party even has superdelegates is a sign of its anti-democratic, pro-oligarchy stance. As Branko Marcetic of In These Times reports the superdelegate system was created specifically to challenge the will of voters. According to Marcetic, “When a Sanders supporter criticized superdelegate Howard Dean for sticking with Clinton despite Sanders’ landslide victory in Vermont, Dean tweeted back: “Superdelegates don’t represent the people.”



While there have been new negotiations to adjust the role of superdelegates, these concessions still give too much power to the party elite.

In addition, the fact that Clinton superdelegates were regularly reported by the media in her delegate tally contributed to the sense that Sanders couldn’t win. So it was not just the existence of the superdelegates; it was the way they were covered by the corporate media that pissed off Sanders supporters. Any party with a superdelegate system should be prepared to alienate voters. This time it worked.

2. The Debate Schedule

The DNC created a debate schedule designed to make it hard for candidates to challenge Clinton’s status as the "presumptive" nominee. Debates were held on weekends, at times that conflicted with other events, and were generally slotted to attract fewer viewers. From the start, well before it was clear that Sanders was gaining momentum, folks were already complaining that the debate schedule was slanted towards Clinton. According to a piece in The National Review from November some Democrats thought it was no accident the DNC scheduled a debate in Iowa on the night of a big Iowa Hawkeyes game. The next two debates were also scheduled for less viewer heavy weekend slots

The drama over the debate schedule got worse as the DNC refused to add more debates to give Sanders a chance to continue to build momentum. As The Intercept reports the DNC laughed at the idea of adding another debate prior to the California primary, even though Fox News offered to host one. Fox News wrote that, “the race is still contested, and given that you sanctioned a final trio of debates, the last of which has not yet been held, we believe a final debate would be an excellent opportunity for the candidates to, as you said when you announced these debates, ‘share Democrats’ vision for the country.’” There never was a California debate set up. Not on Fox News or any other venue.

3. Campaign finance

Back in April the Sanders campaign questioned “serious apparent violations” of campaign finance laws under a joint fundraising deal between Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee. The Sanders camp alleged that the joint fundraising agreement offered Clinton a chance to “launder” money through the DNC. “While the use of joint fundraising agreements has existed for some time — it is unprecedented for the DNC to allow a joint committee to be exploited to the benefit of one candidate in the midst of a contested nominating contest,” said Jeff Weaver, Sanders' campaign manager.

Politico reported that legal experts gave conflicting views on whether the practice constituted a violation of campaign finance law. But whether or not it was legal was not the only point. Larry Noble, the general counsel of the Campaign Legal Center, who served for 13 years as general counsel at the Federal Election Commission, stated that "It clearly goes against what was intended for the joint fundraising committees.” Given the already significant war chest Clinton had to run her campaign it is not surprising that Sanders supporters would find this news disturbing.

4. Refusal to Address Claims of Election Fraud

According to a piece from the Observer on calls in California to have the DNC investigate election fraud, “Voter tampering has been frequently cited in California, with many alleging their party registration was changed without their consent. In Riverside County, district attorney Mike Hestrin confirmed voters’ party affiliations were changed without their knowledge.” And that was just one part of the story from California.

The primary elections were rife with claims of election fraud. From the purging of voter rolls (Brooklyn) to cutting poll locations (Arizona, Rhode Island, Puerto Rico), to the debacle of the California primary, there were numerous situations where the DNC could and should have called for an investigation. Despite the fact that in many cases it was Democratic voters that were directly affected, the DNC made no move to support voters’ claims of election fraud.

5. The Democratic Party Platform

The recent fights over the DNC platform reveal a real lack of support for progressive policy, especially on key economic issues. As Marcetic reported for In These Times “there’s no denying that the platform compromises on certain core progressive values.” While some suggested that the new platform was a "win" for Sanders, in the end the platform submits to corporate will on many issues.

Committee delegates selected by Clinton and Wasserman Schultz voted down several measures dear to progressives’ hearts: “amendments advocating single-payer health care and a $15 minimum wage indexed to inflation, several proposals to halt climate change, language criticizing Israeli ‘occupation’ of Palestine and an amendment explicitly opposing the TPP trade agreement.” As Marcetic shows, delegates to the committee with corporate ties were among the most avid in promoting pro-business policy completely out of step with the sort of progressive values that once separated Democrats from Republicans. Unsurprisingly, those very same delegates were the ones connected to Clinton and Wasserman Schultz.

6. Documented Attempts to Discredit / Dismiss Sanders

As if the previous issues were not evidence enough to justify the #DemExit movement, the Guccifer 2.0 leaks now offer Sanders supporters copious examples of ways that the DNC simply did not respect the Sanders campaign. It is important to note that Wasserman Schultz was not alone in this general attitude. Even more disturbing, we have no examples of any DNC staffer suggesting that Sanders deserved a better shake than he was getting. Some of the most egregious examples can be found here.

7. DNC Collusion with Media

The corporate media was no ally to the Sanders campaign. With AP calling the primary for Clinton before California, New Mexico, New Jersey, Montana, North Dakota, and South Dakota were set to vote, many Sanders’ supporters felt betrayed by the press. As Bill Boyarsky reports for Truthdig, “The story was not just a scoop. It fed the hostility and cynicism of Sen. Bernie Sanders’ fervent supporters.

The Guccifer 2.0 leaks also reveal a disturbing pattern of collusion between the media and the DNC to support Clinton and not Sanders. Luis Miranda, the national communications director for the DNC, communicated with reporters from both Politico and the Wall Street Journal in efforts to discredit Sanders. In one email thread, Miranda told Politico he would “point out… some of the issues” with Sen. Sanders’ DNC committee appointments, but only “off the record.” Miranda also helped craft “talking points” to be used by the Clinton campaign in response to the Hillary Victory Fund’s money laundering allegations referenced above.

DNC Press Secretary Mark Paustenbach also vetted a Politico story by reporter Ken Vogel before it was sent to editors: “Vogel gave me his story ahead of time/before it goes to his editors as long as I didn’t share it,” Paustenbach wrote to Miranda. “Let me know if you see anything that’s missing and I’ll push back.”

And then there are the messages that show how Wasserman Schultz pressured MSNBC after it criticized her “unfair” treatment of Sanders.

8. False Claims of Neutrality

Perhaps one of the most enervating features of the story is the fact that the leaked documents counter Wasserman Schultz’s claims that the DNC was neutral. There simply is no evidence of neutrality at all--only evidence of bias. It makes moments like Wasserman Schultz’s interview with "The Daily Show" host Trevor Noah where he asked her to respond to allegations that she has been cock-blocking Sanders seem like an orchestrated cover-up.

Clinton now says that Wasserman Schultz will serve as honorary chair of her campaign’s 50-state program to help elect Democrats around the country only seems to confirm a relationship of biased cronyism. The fact that Clinton still calls her a “longtime friend” and is not calling her out for her mistakes further fans the #DemExit fire.

9. Failure to Protect Donor Information

The Guccifer 2.0 leak reveals a lot of the shenanigans inside the DNC, but it shouldn't be overlooked that it also shows that they didn't use necessary precautions to protect donors’ information. As Vox reports “the leaked emails suggest that the group was somewhat careless in handling donors’ private information.”

In one example an email contained an attached image with a picture of a $150,000 check. “Emailing checks like this is a bad idea because [it] allows anyone to withdraw money from anyone else’s account with only the routing information printed on every check.” The dump included a ton of donor information -- more than enough to create some real identity theft risks. If the sloppiness reminds you of using a private email server to communicate classified information, then you are not alone.

10. The DNC Has Not Taken the Leaks Seriously

Much in the same way Clinton blew off her own email scandal, we basically have crickets from the DNC and party leaders. The failure to take responsibility or reach out to disaffected supporters has created a real blowback where voters who backed Sanders are irate. Now many supporters just think the party is corrupt-- and they have point.

The Wasserman Schultz resignation does nothing to correct an election that many supporters feel was rigged. And it does nothing to hold Wassermann Schultz accountable.

Meanwhile a class action lawsuit is forming that is looking into allegations of fraud. It contends, among other things, that the bias of the DNC means that Sanders supporters basically threw their money away when they supported his campaign in good faith.

There is much in the news about the possibility that the hacks were supported by Russia. And while that is of serious concern, it really isn’t the point. It’s like blaming your girlfriend when she reads your flirty text messages. If there are no communications to worry about, then there is no story. Freaking out over the identity of the “hacker” is a great way to cover when you have gotten busted. The issue of who uncovered these messages is less important than the fact that the messages exist and they make the DNC look really bad. Rather than worry about Russian hacks, the DNC should worry about its integrity.

Today the polling for a potential Donald Trump win is increasingly frightening. Even Michael Moore is predicting a Trump win. While there are a variety of forces that are working together to advance the Trump campaign, the DNC’s actions are certainly not helping. If Trump wins in November, the DNC will certainly bear a good portion of the blame.

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