maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 10:20 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Hearings already hobbled against the next two years.


Yes. Hobbled by a Republican president and a Republican controlled Senate.

Focus your ire on that.
Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 10:26 pm
@maporsche,
Thanks for the clarification.
Now I understand.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 10:31 pm
@Real Music,
Exactly what I have been saying all day. Paygo is designed to make certain no progressive programs get very far, beyond the rhetoric.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 10:35 pm


Warren Gunnels


@GunnelsWarren
3h3 hours ago
More
Bad news:
#PayGo passed

Good news:
House will hold 1st hearings on #MedicareForAll
Commitments made to waive #PayGo
More recognition that austerity is bad
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If they truly mean to waive Paygo in this instance it will be a good step. But what I have been saying about Paygo will not change.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 10:38 pm
Bill Maher
·
Harassment in the Bernie campaign not cool, but I like his response to Did you know?:”I was a little busy running around the country trying to make the case” I’m sure Dems will do what they do best and destroy another of their leaders.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 05:44 am
@edgarblythe,
No. Of course not. Nothing will change with you. Everything is gloom and doom. You live an interesting life.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 07:25 am
https://scontent.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47382826_2001062413313800_72346658221850624_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fhou1-2.fna&oh=7740937411e776a3f8ea30b0a15ff39a&oe=5C8E31CA
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livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 10:01 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Exactly what I have been saying all day. Paygo is designed to make certain no progressive programs get very far, beyond the rhetoric.

If you have someone who's addicted to credit card spending, and you're trying to teach them fiscal responsibility, you don't think it's a good idea to only allow them to spend if they reduce some other expenditure? Otherwise they will just go on increasing their deficit/debt.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 10:07 am
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

Exactly what I have been saying all day. Paygo is designed to make certain no progressive programs get very far, beyond the rhetoric.

If you have someone who's addicted to credit card spending, and you're trying to teach them fiscal responsibility, you don't think it's a good idea to only allow them to spend if they reduce some other expenditure? Otherwise they will just go on increasing their deficit/debt.


...or by allowing them to make more money (by say getting a second job or raising taxes).
livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 10:22 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

...or by allowing them to make more money (by say getting a second job or raising taxes).

When people get second jobs to afford their irresponsible spending habits, they cause more unemployment because those second jobs and extra hours they take are no longer available to others.

Now, if you say their additional spending creates jobs for other unemployed people elsewhere, that's not really desirable either.

E.g. let's say you go spend more on your nails and hair and you work a second job doing nails and hair in a salon. Now you're making and spending more money, which stimulates more economic growth and thus inflation.

That inflation means that other people who are saving money are going to have to work to make more because the value of their saved money is deteriorating due to others' waste spending.

Growth is a necessary thing when there's not enough to go around, but when it's due to people who can't manage their budgets because they are fiscally irresponsible and spend too much money instead of working harder to make ends meet within their budget, it's an unfair tax on savings for people who do put in effort to making do with less spending.

In short, you shouldn't be able to pump up the hair and nails waste economy with extra spending and money-making at the expense of people who want to save money and retire from that same economy. You are forcing people to work more than they want, need, or have to by taxing their savings and that is wrong.

If people are in need of basic necessities like food and shelter, create work-direct programs where people build their own tiny houses and farm and/or distribute their own food supplies. Don't give them more money so they can buy more cars and clothes and electronics and everything else that makes the economy environmentally harmful and unsustainable.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 10:33 am
@livinglava,
You sound like some who would think that the rich should be taxed 100% if they make more than some relatively meager income.

I mean if a high powered lawyer can afford a tiny home and a single work-suit, and maybe some fresh wheat or the occasional pork chop, why shouldn't he make more than $40,000 per year?
livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 10:43 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

You sound like some who would think that the rich should be taxed 100% if they make more than some relatively meager income.

I mean if a high powered lawyer can afford a tiny home and a single work-suit, and maybe some fresh wheat or the occasional pork chop, why shouldn't he make more than $40,000 per year?

1) to save it for the future.
2) to invest in good economic ventures, infrastructure, etc, i.e. not environmentally harmful and unsustainable ones
3) to prevent it from become waste-spending by government bureaucrats.

Look, there are generally a lot of consumer lifestyles and business practices that need reform to reduce the economy's environmental impact and unsustainability.

People don't put effort into reducing their impact and wasting less when there is more money to make and spend. For people to give up driving, for example, they might have to take a lower-paying job closer to home. As long as they are being pressed by high spending to seek higher pay, they are going to search for higher-paying jobs on the other side of town and then drive to those.

Generally, the economic reforms that are better for the environment come with less spending and not more.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 10:55 am
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 10:59 am
@edgarblythe,
I listened to the audio she posted; it may have been a handful of republicans.

Not good behavior, but not really a chorus of boos like I feel she suggested.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 11:09 am
https://www.wonkette.com/why-are-we-all-yelling-about-pay-go

An interesting article on PayGo that all progressives should read (but won't).
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 11:16 am
@livinglava,
That's the reason recycling programs have been established in many places.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 11:17 am
@maporsche,
No, it truly isn’t good behaviour. It’s a glaring reminder to women that they really arent welcome. I think its a little late in the game to think women will continue to pretend they don’t notice when men behave like peeved adolescents. Maybe when i was 20............I don’t think todays 20 year old women are going to redden with shame and slink away.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 11:19 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

No, it truly isn’t good behaviour. It’s a glaring reminder to women that they really arent welcome. I think its a little late in the game to think women will continue to pretend they don’t notice when men behave like peeved adolescents. Maybe when i was 20............I don’t think todays 20 year old women are going to redden with shame and slink away.


I hope that they don't slink away.

I don't think that all women feel as empowered as the women who have ran for congress though. I wish/hope they do and if they don't today I hope in the future our culture will change enough to make them feel more empowered...and of course that men stop the boooish/misogynistic behavior
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 11:21 am
@glitterbag,
Much progress have been made, but blacks still suffer the worst discrimination. It's a sad story about our country that will not go away any time soon. We Japanese Americans had our share of the "yellow peril" and concentration camps during WWII, but the majority have done quite well since then. We still have our share of people in poverty, but it's been shrinking. The fact that our family is now made up of Japanese, Germans, Hispanics, Blacks, English, Chinese, and Polynesian shows we are now integrated pretty well. Soon after WWII, Japanese Americans were the second largest Asians in the US after the Chinese. We are now the smallest group, and still shrinking.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 11:42 am
@cicerone imposter,
Yeah. My genetic test shows I'm 100% European, but my blood relatives have added Mexican, Puerto Rican and blacks to the mix. Possibly more than that.
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