livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 11:44 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

That's the reason recycling programs have been established in many places.

Recycling should be a last resort after reduce and reuse are no long options. Recycling is the most energy-consuming of reduce-reuse-recycle, and it causes the materials to degrade by processing them.

Really, more conservative lifestyles are the solution to the environmental/sustainability problems.

People need to reduce their environmental/resource footprint and impact, and that goes hand in hand with a calmer economy.

Global socialism doesn't the US (and Chinese, etc) economies to calm, though, because the more active US consumption is, the more they can sell/invest in order to bring back money to their home economies.

Realize we are dealing with investors and investment banks worldwide that invest in Asian production and US consumption to generate cash flows that can be moved anywhere.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 11:50 am
Bernie Sanders


@SenSanders

Is it "radical" to demand that all Americans have health care, that billionaires pay their fair share of taxes, that workers earn at least $15 an hour and that we transform our energy system in order to combat climate change? I don't think so.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 11:50 am
@livinglava,
You're such a genius on conservation, why don't you apply your skills at the local, state, and national levels?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 11:56 am
Only difference between Trump and Romney, Romney may be just as stupid and love the same "policies" but he almost looks sane.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 12:01 pm
Kyle Griffin

Verified account

@kylegriffin1

Inbox: On the first day of the 116th Congress, Reps. Deutch, McGovern, Raskin, and Katko introduced a bipartisan constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 12:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You're such a genius on conservation, why don't you apply your skills at the local, state, and national levels?

And put myself out there as a target? These things have been said many times, but they always get squelched because they interfere with the socialist-industrialist-liberal economic vision of making big money in order to redistribute big money.

People who understand conservation are just stuck reminding others about in subtle ways like here. The moment we try to make a big show of it, the growthist media will have their spin-doctors waiting to undermine us while marketing and whitewashing environmental harm and unsustainability in all sorts of subtle and not-so-subtle ways.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 12:22 pm
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 12:43 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Is it "radical" to demand that all Americans have health care, that billionaires pay their fair share of taxes, that workers earn at least $15 an hour and that we transform our energy system in order to combat climate change? I don't think so.


Few Democrats think that is radical.

The problem is that Sanders, you, and other progressives have not helped convince any of the Republicans to agree with you.

You've wasted your time attacking people who think like I do; who agree with you 80% of the time.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 12:58 pm
@maporsche,
At my age, I don't worry about things I have no control over. Even that is very limited - by my wife.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 01:29 pm
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/mainstream-medias-pro-war-posture-hammered-veteran-nbc-reporters-scathing-resignation-letter/?fbclid=IwAR0BKlTp_2LpmqM5cJCjRGcn95fhSW4cjlZNb9hEjPkaqwSz0524RtHPfD0
Mainstream media’s pro-war posture hammered in veteran NBC reporter’s scathing resignation letter
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 03:16 pm
@edgarblythe,
Bernie Sanders wrote:
Is it "radical" to demand that all Americans have health care, that billionaires pay their fair share of taxes, that workers earn at least $15 an hour and that we transform our energy system in order to combat climate change? I don't think so.
The biggest reason why America is going to keep burning coal is environmentalist opposition to fracking and nuclear power.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 03:27 pm
@oralloy,
No. Environmentalists are in total support of solar and wind. Also, some countries like Japan supports fracking. https://www.washingtonpost.com.

TOKYO — In Japan, even environmentalists favor fracking.

The anxiety about Donald Trump here is palpable. But during a two-week reporting trip there was one thing practically everyone I met was relieved to hear: A Trump administration might encourage fracking and natural gas exports to places like Japan.
livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 03:34 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Bernie Sanders wrote:
Is it "radical" to demand that all Americans have health care, that billionaires pay their fair share of taxes, that workers earn at least $15 an hour and that we transform our energy system in order to combat climate change? I don't think so.
The biggest reason why America is going to keep burning coal is environmentalist opposition to fracking and nuclear power.

That's like saying the biggest reason why rapes happen is victim opposition to consensual intercourse.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 03:37 pm
@livinglava,
Not really.

Shortfalls in renewables are going to be made up somehow. If environmentalists leave coal as the only available option, then it is their fault that we turn to coal.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 03:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
No. Environmentalists are in total support of solar and wind.
And when solar and wind fail to provide enough power to meet demand, the rest of the energy will be generated some other way.

If environmentalists block fracking and nuclear power, the rest of the power will be generated by burning coal.
livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 03:40 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Not really.

Shortfalls in renewables are going to be made up somehow. If environmentalists leave coal as the only available option, then it is their fault that we turn to coal.

What part of my analogy did you not understand? I thought it was crystal clear.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 03:41 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
And when solar and wind fails to provide enough power to meet demand, the shortfall will be generated some other ways.
. How stupid are you? We have solar, but rely on PG&E to provide the backup when the solar doesn't provide enough electricity.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 03:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
My IQ is 170.

Why? What's your IQ?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 03:45 pm
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:
What part of my analogy did you not understand? I thought it was crystal clear.
I understood it. It just does not apply to this situation. Rape victims are not the cause of rape. Environmentalists are the reason why we will have to keep burning coal.
Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 03:47 pm
House Dems to introduce gun backgrounds checks bill on Tuesday.


Published January 4, 2019
Quote:
House Democrats will introduce their proposal to require universal backgrounds checks for gun sales on Tuesday, the eighth anniversary of former Rep. Gabby Gifford’s shooting, according Democratic lawmakers and aides.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Rep. Mike Thompson (Calif.) — who heads up a Democratic task force on gun violence — will join Giffords in introducing the bill, which will be dubbed “H.R. 8” in honor of the Arizona Democratic lawmaker.

Giffords nearly died in the Jan. 8, 2011, shooting in Tucson, Arizona, which left six people dead and 15 wounded. She resigned from Congress in January 2012.

“Since the shooting at Sandy Hook, the Gun Violence Prevention Task Force has been fighting for a chance to pass legislation that will help save lives,” Thompson said in a statement. “Finally, with our new majority that ran on helping to prevent gun violence, we will introduce a bipartisan, universal background checks bill. We will hold hearings, we will have a vote, and this legislation will finally pass the House.”

“In communities across America, courageous survivors, families and young advocates are showing outstanding courage and persistence in demanding an end to the horrific scourge of gun violence in our nation,” Pelosi said in a statement. “It is an honor to join Congressman Mike Thompson and former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords to answer their call by taking the first step to pass commonsense background checks – which 97 percent of the American people support.”

Thompson said the bill would be bipartisan, but declined to reveal the GOP sponsors of the measure at this time. An aide to Rep. Peter King later said the New York Republican will be an original co-sponsor of the legislation, as he has in the past.

The Democratic proposal would require federal background checks on all gun sales, including private transactions. There will be some small exemptions to those checks, such as transfers between family members, or temporary use of a gun for hunting. Gun-control groups estimate that roughly one-fifth or more of gun sales don't include background checks.

Thompson, King and more than 200 other House lawmakers — including 14 Republicans — introduced similar legislation in November 2017, but it went nowhere.

But with a Democratic majority in the House now, passage of the bill is nearly guaranteed, and marks the first major congressional action on gun control in years.

However, Senate Republicans will almost certainly refuse to act on the bill, with support from the National Rifle Association for their position. And President Donald Trump closely aligned himself with the NRA and gun-rights groups during the last election.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-dems-to-introduce-gun-backgrounds-checks-bill-on-tuesday/ar-BBROzSs?ocid=UE13DHP
 

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