oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 01:04 pm
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:
Are you really trying to change the meaning of 'fiscal responsibility' to mean raising taxes to pay for more spending?
Don't you understand that cutting spending is the traditional manner of taking fiscal responsibility? I.e. spending more responsibly instead of less?
The more socialists try to radically transform political language and concepts to support spending as a given, the more you are undermining democracy as a way of keeping the peace.
No matter whether it is big spending or small spending, if the spending is reliably paid for it should count as fiscally responsible.
livinglava
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 01:35 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

livinglava wrote:
We have to live modest, even austere, frugal lives.
I wouldn't go that far. There is room for a bit of middle-class indulgence in life.

There is already overindulgence and that is why people struggle with debt, prices, and making more money.

When people have little or no doubt and their spending is at levels that doesn't pressure them to seek more money, then inflation will be low, zero, or negative; and people will not have to worry about their savings losing value over time.

In such an economic climate, we could choose to work less or work voluntarily if we like. It would simply be a lower-pressure economy where businesses could afford to lower prices out of the goodness of their hearts, i.e. because they wouldn't always be under pressure to pay more taxes, create more jobs, raise wages, etc. etc.
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livinglava
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 01:44 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
No matter whether it is big spending or small spending, if the spending is reliably paid for it should count as fiscally responsible.

Basically the government releases liquidity into the economy and then re-captures it, if their goal is to balance the budget.

The more liquidity they release, the more inflationary pressure that creates.

Inflation is basically a tax on saving, which benefits those who borrow and spend more. If you like giving money away to rich people who borrow and spend a lot at the expense of poor/middle-class people who work hard to spend less than they make so they can have future financial security, then go ahead and support big spending and inflation by promising big taxes to balance the budget after the big spending happens.

Only realize that the big tax promise won't materialize, just as it never does. Once the money is pumped out into the economy and circulating, there will be too much political pressure to not raise taxes to get it back. That is what has happened with the current Obama-Trump cycle. Obama pumped it all out there and then Trump came in to cut taxes so it could stay in circulation. That is how the two-party government operates.

What would be great is if the party of liberal spending would break the vicious cycle by for once not coming up with a BS 'balanced budget' excuse for more big spending. Just cut spending and find other ways to help people with unemployment and reduced income. Create more efficient food-distribution programs, home ownership programs that don't give or lend money. In short, find ways of supporting people in need without using money to do it.
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Real Music
 
  3  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 03:01 pm
The 5 lawmakers who could make Trump's life difficult.

Published January 3, 2019
Quote:
When Democrats officially take control of the U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday, a group of President Trump's top critics will have new powers. For the past two years, Democrats have been in the wilderness when it comes to leverage in Congress and have been eager to conduct oversight of the president.

Until now, the highest ranking Democratic lawmakers on key committees have had limited reach, essentially relegated to voicing their concerns through cable news programs and social media. Now, the change in power, issuing from November's midterm elections, not only gives them a megaphone but also real legislative tools, like the power to issue subpoenas, to hold the president to account on everything from his tax returns and business dealings to the Russia investigation to administration scandals and his immigration policies.

Here are five members to watch in the New Congress and what they hope to achieve:

New York Rep. Jerry Nadler, chair of the House Judiciary Committee

President Trump and the Manhattan lawmaker have a history that predates his presidency. The two battled over New York City real estate projects when Mr. Trump was a developer and Nadler a state assemblyman and then later, a congressman. This led to Mr. Trump dubbing Nadler "one of the most egregious hacks in contemporary politics."

The relationship will now become even more consequential, since any moves to impeach Mr. Trump would likely begin in Nadler's committee. But Nadler, who was a fierce defender of President Clinton against impeachment, has been exercising caution about proceeding in the era of Trump.

"There's certainly a lot of allegations, but we'll have to wait and see what the Mueller investigation comes up with and other investigations looking into it," Nadler told "CBS This Morning" on Wednesday.

Instead, Nadler says he's prioritizing oversight. His committee has already called upon acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker because Democrats are concerned about the nature of his appointment and its relation to the Russia investigation. Nadler said Whitaker has agreed to testify, but hasn't committed to a date. He says he'll issue a subpoena if necessary. The incoming committee chairman is also determined to protect the special counsel investigation led by Robert Mueller.

"For the last two years, the president has had no oversight, no accountability from Congress. The Republican Congress was completely derelict in its responsibility to provide oversight," Nadler told "CBS This Morning." "We're going to provide that oversight. We're going to use the subpoena power if we have to."

California Rep. Adam Schiff, chair of the House Intelligence Committee

Once a model in bipartisanship, the House Intelligence Committee suffered a high profile partisan breakdown in the Trump administration around the investigation into Russian meddling in U.S. elections. Republican Chair Devin Nunes and Ranking Member Adam Schiff and their counterparts in the committee sparred over intelligence gathering and findings, releasing competing memos and holding competing press conferences.

When he takes the reins of the committee, Schiff has said he will focus the panel's efforts around protecting the Mueller investigation and re-engaging it in the overall probe. Schiff has also expressed interest in calling back witnesses related to the Russia investigation who have already testified. "We believe other witnesses were untruthful before our committee," Schiff said in November, after Trump's former attorney Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to lying to Congress.

Schiff has identified two key areas of interest when it comes to the Russian investigation and possible collusion between Trump associates: The details of the infamous Trump Tower 2016 meeting, which could involve issuing subpoenas for phone records, and whether Russians laundered money through the Trump organization.

"What would be most compromising to our nation and our national security is if a hostile foreign power has leverage over the president of the United States," Schiff told the New York Times.

While the bulk of the focus will likely be on Russia, Schiff has also said he would like more scrutiny of the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi and the related intelligence conclusions, as well as a broader examination of the U.S. relationship with Saudi Arabia.

Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, chair of the House Oversight and Reform Committee

If Democrats have been craving oversight of the president, they will certainly be watching Cummings, as the chair of the committee with oversight in its name. Cummings has said he would use his power to make Mueller's findings public.

"What the public has said is they want accountability and transparency," Cummings told CBS' "Face the Nation."

"I would do anything and everything in my power to have the findings presented not only to the Congress but to the people of the United States."

Cummings has also said he would like Cohen to come before the committee. "The public needs to know exactly what happened," he told CNN's "State of the Union." "There's a lot to look at."

But Cummings has also been cautious about overreach, and says he wants to keep the committee's focus on issues having a direct impact on Americans. On the "Face the Nation," Cummings identified four main areas of interest: protecting and expanding voting rights, fairness in the U.S Census, the economic troubles of the U.S. Postal Service, and addressing the rising cost of prescription drugs.

"I plan to run our committee like a federal court room ... I want civility and we will address subpoenas in a very systematic way," Cummings told CNN. "The American people want government to help them not hurt them ... I'm not looking for headlines, I'm looking to get things done for them."

California Rep. Maxine Waters, chair of the House Financial Services Committee

Waters has become a hero of the anti-Trump resistance, and a top target of the president's attacks. Now, she will become the first woman and first African-American chair of the Financial Services Committee, and she has her eye on the banks that lent Mr. Trump money.

As ranking member of the committee, Waters has been focused on Deutsche Bank, which loaned Trump money after bankruptcies, and was also hit with a large fine for a $10 billion Russian money laundering scheme.

In 2017, Waters and committee Democrats sent a letter to Deutsche Bank's CEO seeking information about its internal reviews.

"Deutsche Bank's pattern of involvement in money laundering schemes with primarily Russian participation, its unconventional relationship with the President, and its repeated violations of U.S. banking laws, all raise serious questions about whether the Bank's reported reviews of the trading scheme and Trump's financial ties to Russia were completely thorough," the lawmakers wrote at the time. Waters also wrote to demand then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions recuse himself from any investigation by the Justice Department of Deutsche Bank.

And as ranking member, Waters asked Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to detail any financial ties Trump or his family members may have to Russia.

Beyond those inquiries, Waters has said she wants to focus on protections for consumers, expanding affordable housing, encouraging innovation in financial technology, and expanding diversity in the financial services industry, according to a statement.

Massachusetts Rep. Richard Neal, chair of the House Ways and Means Committee

Unlike recent predecessors, the president has refused to release his tax returns. That could change once Neal takes the helm of the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee. "Yes, I think we will," Neal told the Associated Press whether he would request the president's taxes. "I hope that the president would do this on his own, largely because every president since Gerald R. Ford has voluntarily done this."

Mr. Trump has repeatedly declined to make his returns public, protesting that he is under audit. If he doesn't comply with Neal's request, the tax code provision allows the chairman to request the taxpayer's information from the Internal Revenue Service and the treasury secretary would have to produce it.

"We will work with our general counsel and the I.R.S. general counsel on any requests," Mnuchin told the New York Times last year, shortly before Democrats won control of the House.

Beyond taxes, Neal will play a prominent role when it comes to top items of the president's agenda, from tax reform changes to Obamacare to new trade deals.

"We intend to enshrine the principle of preexisting condition as a guarantee of our national network through the Affordable Care Act," Neal said in a press conference after the midterm elections.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-5-lawmakers-who-could-make-trumps-life-difficult/ar-BBRKuAH?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=UE13DHP
coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 03:11 pm
@Real Music,
Quote:
The 5 lawmakers who could make Trump's life difficult.

It is not difficult now? More tripe pounding home the same hate and division it was always intended to do.
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Real Music
 
  3  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 03:19 pm
House Democrats plan to hold hearings on (Medicare for All)


Published January 3, 2019
Quote:
The new Democratic majority in the House will hold the first hearings on Medicare-for-All legislation, a longtime goal of the party’s left, after Speaker-designate Nancy Pelosi lent her support for the process.

“It’s a huge step forward to have the speaker’s support,” said Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), who will be the House sponsor of the legislation, usually denoted as HR 676. “We have to push on the inside while continuing to build support for this on the outside.”

Some version of universal health care has been a Democratic goal for decades. The Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act, first introduced in 2003 by then-Rep. John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, has become the vehicle for Democrats who want to bring single-payer, Canada-style health care to the United States.

That legislation was typically sidelined, even when Democrats had power; in 2009 and 2010, when the House passed the Affordable Care Act, the “Medicare-for-All” package was not part of the discussion. But in his 2016 campaign for president, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) championed Medicare for All. The following year, for the first time, a majority of House Democrats co-sponsored HR 676.

Pelosi, who had been one of those co-sponsors, said throughout the 2018 campaign that Democrats were free to discuss many other health-care programs. She strongly suggested that a Democratic House would at least hold hearings on the far-reaching Jayapal bill; on Wednesday, Jayapal got Pelosi’s commitment to hearings in the Rules and Budget committees.

The incoming chairmen of those committees, Reps. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) and John Yarmuth (D-Ky.), support Medicare for All.

“The American people deserve to know what the various options for Medicare for All would mean to them as health care consumers and taxpayers,” Yarmuth said.

Jayapal said supporters hope to release legislation in “the next couple of weeks” and hold hearings in a number of committees.

With Democrats locked out of power in the Senate and the White House, Jayapal said that supporters of universal health care were proceeding “one step at a time” and that getting the first real hearings on the bill — for years, it has been aspirational, and not even subject to a Congressional Budget Office score — would force a larger discussion.

“This will ensure that Medicare for All is part of the 2020 Democratic presidential platforms,” said Jayapal.

Polling has found support for Medicare for All at anywhere from 58 to 70 percent, though critics point out that support dips depending on how the costs and changes to private insurance are described.

Outside of Congress, supporters of ambitious liberal bills have viewed the new House warily. Later Thursday, the House is set to amend, but not eliminate, the “paygo” rule that requires any new spending to be offset with deficit reduction.

While Democratic leaders have pointed out that the spending rule is statutory and would remain active in the Senate no matter what the House does, a number of left-leaning Democrats have accused Pelosi of preemptively making it harder to pass major reforms. Jayapal, a co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus who helped reshape the rule, said that those concerns were unfounded.

“The critical thing here is: Do we have a commitment to waive paygo on critical bills? I think we do,” she said. “I think we’ve not only got a commitment for that, but for hearings on those bills, and we’ve never had that before.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-democrats-plan-to-hold-hearings-on-medicare-for-all/ar-BBRLBa1?ocid=UE13DHP
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 06:23 pm
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Michael Moore

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@MMFlint

More Michael Moore Retweeted Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Call your House members and tell them to vote NO tomorrow on #PAYGO. We all remember the tragic mistake Dems made in 2009 at the beginning of the Obama years by compromising from the beginning. 202-225-3121Michael Moore added,
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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Tomorrow I will also vote No on the rules package, which is trying to slip in #PAYGO.

PAYGO isn’t only bad economics, as @RoKhanna explains; it’s also a dark…
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2018 Democrats: we're increasing the military budget by a greater amount than Trump requested

2019 Democrats: we're voting for #PayGo because now is not the time for frivolous programs to help people, it's time for austerity!
maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 06:28 pm
@edgarblythe,
Such bullshit you keep posting
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 06:35 pm
@edgarblythe,
So grateful Michael Moore is lending his celebrity - and good track record as an honest broker - to support @AOC and progressives!! Pretty awesome.
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 06:39 pm
I can't believe so many are blind to Pelosi's moves to keep Democrats down, agenda wise. If any Republican wins the Presidency in 2020, I figure the blame lies basically with her and her pals.
maporsche
 
  2  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 06:46 pm
@edgarblythe,
Maybe you’re not doing a good job of convincing anyone.

Is it the message or the messengers?? I wonder.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 06:46 pm


Effie Pasagiannis


@pasagiae
7h7 hours ago
More Effie Pasagiannis Retweeted Margaret Kimberley

It’s starting again. This time it isn’t an utter blackout. This time it’s an overt attempt to malign @SenSanders & transform him into a caricature or worse, some kind of sexist freak. I already see establishment media & DNC fast at work. Disgust w/ this two party sham of a system
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 06:55 pm
@Real Music,
Isn't it a waste of time? Trump will never approve it.

Also, On Nancy Pelosi from Politifact: Mostly True
Percent with higher pay unclear
Chris Collins
"Because of #TaxReform, 4 million American workers have received raises and bonuses, and 90% of Americans are seeing bigger paychecks this month."
— PolitiFact New York on Friday, March 9th, 2018
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 07:29 pm
In his 2018 campaign, Sanders put forth strong measures to protect women from harassment, as described near the end of this interview.
snood
 
  3  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 07:56 pm
Something really smells here.
When I see Nancy Pelosi - arguably one of the most effective, most prolific speakers ever; the only woman speaker in history; the only person in history besides Sam Rayburn to be elected twice as speaker - when I see her taking the gavel back from feckless coward Paul Ryan - to preside over the most diverse House of Reps ever - and some so called liberals here can't celebrate that - it smells.

When I see Elizabeth Warren - who was for a long time the lone voice on the hill publicly excoriating the filthy corrupt bankers and insurance hucksters; who conceived and promoted the consumer protection bureau; when I see her boldly being first to jump into a contest that will certainly attempt to destroy her - and the some of these so called progressives can only see wrong in her- something is ******* WRONG.

Yeah, Bernie has good ideas, and AOC is exciting and has bold vision. But, even they see the efficacy in not engaging in friendly fire.
Why don't some of their followers GET that?
coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 08:06 pm
@snood,
Quote:
- and some so called liberals here can't celebrate that - it smells.

Glad you are here to let them know what kind of liberal they should be and who they should support. That lock step is missing. You can't win without it.
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Lash
 
  0  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 08:10 pm
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
In DC + even in our own party, it‘s apparently too controversial to ask that we keep oil+gas co’s away from enviro policy.

It’s too controversial to talk about the socioeconomics of Flint, WV, PR & the Bronx.

It’s too controversial to plan for disasters that are already here.
snood
 
  2  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 08:20 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Maybe you’re not doing a good job of convincing anyone.

Is it the message or the messengers?? I wonder.


I vote both
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livinglava
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 08:49 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
In DC + even in our own party, it‘s apparently too controversial to ask that we keep oil+gas co’s away from enviro policy.

In one way, this makes perfect sense; because we can assume that the fuel companies would manipulate policy in their interest.

But socialists are just as likely to manipulate policy in the interest of keeping these companies operating in order to pressure them into creating more jobs and tax revenues.

For example, many of the Obama era regulations didn't actually stop the power plants and fuel companies, but the regulations and safety/pollution-control requirements were costly in order to create more intra-economic spending and jobs. By doing that, they push these companies to do more business instead of less, to cover all the costs, which means they are going to be using more energy to find more energy to supply all the stimulated businesses and their employees to buy and consume more energy.

In short, you can't trust socialists with economic regulations any more than you can trust the business sector itself. Both are biased in their own way; business for investors and socialists for workers.

Greed can do harm whether it's in the service of investors or workers.
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 08:51 pm
It's alright Ben-ig-ma, I'm only bleeding.


@Benigma2017

The Democratic Party loved 2016 so much that they are making all the mistakes, in exactly the same fashion, to guarantee that it all happens again in 2020.

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