Black Women Send Letter to Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi in Support of Maxine Waters

I'm not going anywhere near America while Trump is in office. I'll spend my tourist money elsewhere. If and when I do go South Carolina isn't at the top of my list. My number one city to visit in America was New Orleans, I've been there, after that it's San Francisco, then probably New York.

I'm off to Denmark again in a few weeks. After that I want to go to Marrakech.

If I'd wandered into a right wing bar by accident I wouldn't want to stay. If I managed to find a landlord in Britain so extremely right wing that he'd want to bar anyone who said Trump would be impeached then I'd be happy with him barring me. He'd be barring 99.99% of the population mind so he wouldn't be in business long.

So not only would I be happy for your landlord to refuse me service I'd be happy to be barred from all the bars in Charlottesville, **** it, bar me from all the bars in South Carolina. It's not going to impact on my life at all.

And out comes the bigot, only a little scratch brought it to the surface.

If Sanders were refused service for publicly justifying locking up kids in cages, something that only happened because of Trump's zero tolerance approach, then her gender, race, disability or sexual preference would be irrelevant. If she were refused service because of her gender, race, disability or sexual preference it would be illegal, but she wasn't.

Your white privilege must really feel under threat right now for you to start lashing out at minorities like that.

Any history of Klan membership in your family?

You can even refuse service to people in a protected class, as long as it's for a reason other than being in that class.

For example, the gay couple in the bake shop...if that gay couple were say welders and you refused to bake cakes for welders then that bake shop owner would have been just fine (even in the couple was also gay). Mrs Sanders could have been a 1/2 black, 1/2 indian lesbian in a wheelchair and if the restaurant owner refused service because she was also the chief lying mouthpiece of the Trump administration then that would be just fine too. If the owner refused services for the other reasons, then that would not be fine.

When you said earlier that "I get that you (and others) will see it differently. That is fine. I've got no problem with those who see it differently." .... well your last paragraph makes me wonder if you really do think it's fine and if you really have "no problem" with it.


At least the charge of hypocrite has been dropped.

Well, it's also very much against the law.
I'd protest any restaurant that refused to serve black people too. It's no different.

I would hope any Christian would have a problem with discrimination based on race, gender, sexual orientation, disability and other protected status.


Psalm 82:3-4 ESV
Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute. Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”

Proverbs 31:8-9 ESV
Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.

Isaiah 1:17 ESV
Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause.

Jeremiah 22:3 ESV
Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed. And do no wrong or violence to the resident alien, the fatherless, and the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.

Romans 13:1-14 ESV
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...

Proverbs 17:15 ESV
He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.

Romans 8:28 ESV
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

Romans 5:6 ESV
For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

Isaiah 25:4 ESV
For you have been a stronghold to the poor, a stronghold to the needy in his distress, a shelter from the storm and a shade from the heat; for the breath of the ruthless is like a storm against a wall,

a sampler

only a lesbian

only black

only native American

only disabled

only a member of a protected class

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bigotry revealed is interesting

honesty is good. there is that.

Gosh, you sound almost reasonable ma.

I am glad you wish Trump would be more reasonable. I do think the policy should be changed. I'd change it in a heartbeat although probably not in a way you would agree with. But simply because it is being fully enforced now doesn't mean it was ok back in Clinton's day, right? So why were people not speaking up then? Could it be that democrats didn't care because the Oval Office occupant had a "D" next to his name? I don't know, just asking.

Since you liked doing what if scenario earlier, lets try another one. What if Ms. Sanders were black. And, she worked for the Obama administration. And she was refused service because of her "political" views. Or as someone, being a mouthpiece for an administration policy. Do you really believe democrats would not be accusing the owner of kicking her out because she was black, regardless of what the owner claimed? It would be everywhere.

So, if I want to refuse service to anyone, all I have to do is claim I don't like what they publicly espouse and I am covered. Right? Dang. If that baker has simply claimed he would not sell a cake to them because he disagreed with his politics, then is he ok? Or if he claimed he was uncomfortable serving them because they were against policies that he believed in, would it be ok?

Please tell me you at least see the point I am trying to make? You don't have to agree with it. I mean, I really do (and always have) understood that there is a small difference between the two incidents. But strip away all the noise and you are left with one fact. You have two people who were refused service in a business establishment. They were refused not because they were dressed inappropriately, not because they were rowdy, but simply because the owners did not like something about them. I really hope that deep down everyone really sees that you cannot support one owner while condemning the other or vice versa. I stand by my belief that it is hypocritical to do so. Those who wish to think less of me may do so.

And since continuing this line of discussion really serves no purpose, I will bow out. If I have written anything that offends anyone, please accept my apology. It is NEVER, EVER my intention to offend. I certainly did not mean for anyone to take offense at my belief that your opinion was hypocritical. I

Well, since you're leaving I'll let you have the last word. But I'm disappointed that you won't continue the discussion.

See ya.

I'm really getting tired of people taking a comment and twisting it to try to vilifiy me. ehBeth, Izzy and whoever else may be reading, you all know as well as I that my quoted comment does not make me a bigot. I was pointing out...oh screw it. I don't need to defend myself. Think of me what you will. As I've said before on these threads, I really don't give a rip what someone thinks of me. If ANYTHING at all that I wrote leads you or anyone else to think I am a bigot or that I espouse discrimination of any kind, then you are way less intelligent than I have given you credit for.

Have a good day one and all. (And safe travels on your upcoming trips Izzy.)

What is the point ma? Now I'm being called a bigot. It seems some on here are determined to prove the point I was trying to make way back on my first post. The lack of civil discourse is why we are where we are in this country.

People read negativity into the written word, especially on the internet (I'll even admit to reading a bit of negativity in that last paragraph as I read it - I did temper my response to it, knowing my perception may not have been right and having no sense of your feelings on that matter).

I had to make a point to someone earlier today that they should read my posts as if Mr. Rogers was reading it to them, because that is the tone of voice I almost always intend when I write.

But people don't take it that way online. My skin has at least toughened up to that much.


The internet is good for many things; polite discussion is not often one of those. Sometimes we are able to write differently to soften our tone, but that's difficult and often isn't focused on.

I support you CoastalRat... the tactics being used here are thoughtless and idiotic. I don't completely agree with you, but the bullying here is ridiculous. They aren't even taking the time to present their own points respectfully.

The bullying of this ideological crowd is getting out of hand.

Respect to to you.

C'mon Max...

no we don't know that

we can only read what you post

that was a truly unpleasant post to see from you

only

think about it

got a disabled kid - how nice for them - they get to be in a protected class

they'd probably rather not need the protections

but instead they get scorn for being in the protected class

smh

Thank you Max. I know there are many things we likely don't agree on, and I am not surprised that we do not completely agree here. lol And honestly, as maporsche indicated, discussing topics in a written, off the cuff manner can lead to misunderstandings or, admittedly in the case of my hypocrite usage, a failure to distinguish that it really was not meant as a derogatory comment toward the character of those I was addressing.

Anyway, thanks. It is time for me to head out anyway, and I probably need to take a break from this line of discussion for a bit.

Ok, really last post cause I gotta go. But I cannot let this pass.

I never, ever, ever stated, hinted, or insinuated what you are trying to claim I said. Please, point out to me where you got that idea from? If you are claiming that simply because I asked a question that referenced different "classes" of people in the question that I am a bigot? Seriously, go reread the back and forth. I think my question as posed was legitimate based on what was being said.

I have noticed that, unless I missed it (and I may have) nobody bothered to really address the question. Wait, I think maporsche may have. The rest of you were way too busy reading something into the question as though everything has some hidden meaning or agenda behind it.

Anyway, I really gotta run. (I know, I keep saying they. I should just go already, right?) Hope you have a good day.

Call it what you want. When your white privilege was threatened you lashed out at a load of minorities. I know what that makes you in my book.

Throwing people out of a restaurant for not liking them is mean BUT legal. Not baking a wedding cake for a gay couple is mean AND illegal.

here is what you wrote

you can't imagine how many times I re-read it, trying to find something positive in it



honestly. it gets worse with every re-read.

Max licks the arse of anyone I disagree with. It's not his white privilege that feels threatened but his masculinity. That's why he needs to make little alliances throughout A2K.