Jeff Gannon, Jim Guckert, and... Prostitution?

I agree, Joe, the news media is not about the news...it's about how the news is reported. The barrier between agendas and truthful reporting are completely gone.

I don't see it getting any better... as the political parties grow more bipolar so does the news slant.

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I'd have go find it, but someone quoted Daniel Shore recently who said something like "Washington today feels like Moscow in the days when the government would routinely dispense information and people would routinely consider it false."

There were two major sources of information then: Izvestia meaning news and Pravda meaning truth.

On the streets the people would say "Izvestia nye Pravda, y Pravda nye Izvestia "(There is no Izvestia in Pravda and no Pravda in Izvestia.) Smile

We all, right and left and middle, have to be alert and when we see or hear or read something say "Oh, yeah, sez who?"

Joe(whaddya know?)Nation

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Brand X wrote:

I agree, Joe, the news media is not about the news...it's about how the news is reported. The barrier between agendas and truthful reporting are completely gone.

I don't see it getting any better... as the political parties grow more bipolar so does the news slant.

This is NOT so. Apathy and disgust can lead to such uncareful generalizations, and then we lose the ability to discern real - and important - differences.

The WSJ or the Chicago Tribune or the NY Times each represent a style of journalism which seeks to get at real facts below the surface, which tries to avoid falsehoods, and which attempts to provide some balance of viewpoints even while having a general preference ideologically that shows itself far moreso on the editorial page than in coverage.

Townhall or newsmax exist exclusively to forward an ideology. That's why they were created.

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blatham wrote:

Brand X wrote:
I agree, Joe, the news media is not about the news...it's about how the news is reported. The barrier between agendas and truthful reporting are completely gone.

I don't see it getting any better... as the political parties grow more bipolar so does the news slant.

This is NOT so. Apathy and disgust can lead to such uncareful generalizations, and then we lose the ability to discern real - and important - differences.

The WSJ or the Chicago Tribune or the NY Times each represent a style of journalism which seeks to get at real facts below the surface, which tries to avoid falsehoods, and which attempts to provide some balance of viewpoints even while having a general preference ideologically that shows itself far moreso on the editorial page than in coverage.

Townhall or newsmax exist exclusively to forward an ideology. That's why they were created.

If you are correct than it's the exception...not the rule, which is exactly my point.

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Joe Nation wrote:

"Izvestia nye Pravda, y Pravda nye Izvestia "

This came up recently in the case of Ukraine. My colleagues from Ukraine talked about how (before the Orange Revolution) the only media that told the truth was from outside the country.

I sometimes listen to the CBC overnight program -

Quote:

CBC Radio Overnight invites listeners to tune in to CBC Radio One every morning from 1 a.m. to 6 a.m. for CBC Radio News every hour on the hour followed by information programs from public broadcasters around the world. These programs, courtesy of the World Radio Network, give Canadians an opportunity to hear some of the best English-language programming in the world.

The international program schedule is:
Weekdays:
1:05 Radio Netherlands
2:05 Radio Sweden and Radio Australia
3:05 Channel Africa and BBC World Service
4:05 Deutsche Welle and Radio Polonia
5:05 Radio Australia, Radio Prague, Deutsche Welle and Voice of Russia

Weekends
1:05 Radio Netherlands
2:05 Radio Prague and Voice of Russia
3:05 Radio Sweden and BBC World Service
4:05 Deutsche Welle
5:05 Radio Australia

It's quite eye/ear/mind-opening. I suspect some people wouldn't recognize their own countries from the reports of them on these broadcasts. I guess they'd either think that 1) these alternatives only presented lies, or 2) something is wrong with their own country's media.

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brand

What is the exception? And what the rule?

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blatham wrote:

[Townhall or newsmax exist exclusively to forward an ideology. That's why they were created.

You forgot salon.com ... again ......

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Ticomaya wrote:

blatham wrote:
[Townhall or newsmax exist exclusively to forward an ideology. That's why they were created.

You forgot salon.com ... again ......

tico

Not comparable, not in range of content (or lack of it), not in funding, not in raison d'etre, nor in a few other features.

If you simply wish to play a shirts vs skins game, I'm not even slightly interested. If you have some integrity towards the careful and discerning, that would be different.

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Blatham:

You're dealing with an individual (Tico) who refuses to acknowledge (or is just too amazingly naive and cannot do the research on his own) the irrefutable fact that someone who posts their naked picture online for the sole purpose of paid sex is what MOST people refer to as a paid "escort."

With that in mind, it would be logical to assume that Ticomaya has no integrity towards the careful and discerning, for he seems to demonstrate a lack of knowledge regarding the aforementioned subject of this thread.

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But the more glaring fact is that this guy was in the White House BEFORE being part of ANY news organization, and he obviously had access to government information that nobody else was allowed to see. The questions he asked and the "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, say no more" twitches of McClellan and Bush were obvious on the surface.

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blatham wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
blatham wrote:
[Townhall or newsmax exist exclusively to forward an ideology. That's why they were created.

You forgot salon.com ... again ......

tico

Not comparable, not in range of content (or lack of it), not in funding, not in raison d'etre, nor in a few other features.

If you simply wish to play a shirts vs skins game, I'm not even slightly interested. If you have some integrity towards the careful and discerning, that would be different.

I'd be satisfied if you would simply admit the obvious fact that salon.com has an anti-Bush bias in its news reporting. It is what it is, and I feel compelled to point it out to you because you persist in railing against Townhall and Newsmax for carrying their conservative messages to their audiences, and at the same time denigrating those who would deign to post a snippet from such sources, yet choose to ignore the fact that salon.com does the very same thing, and you like to post regularly from that site. I suspect you are having trouble seeing the forest, but one large difference I discern is that Townhall and Newsmax make no claims to being anything other than conservative conservatories. Salon is a liberal rag, but does not possess the intellectual honesty to simply acknowledge this fact, when it is clear its purpose is to try and take down the Bush Administration. I have asked you to post a pro-Bush article from the site, and you've yet to do so. This is either because you can't locate one, because one doesn't exist, or because you haven't looked. I've looked and been unsuccessful.

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There are two distinct parts of salon.com. There are newswire stories that come from reuters mostly, and there are investigative and opinion pieces. The investigative and opinion pieces do lean left and they as much as admit that.

There is a difference, though, at least to me, between presenting the facts with a bias and presenting the bias as the facts. That is the difference between salon.com and the others.

I know for a fact that there are opinion pieces from conservatives on there. When I get back from lunch, I'll dig them up for you.

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Tico will try to change the subject/confuse the topic as much as possible by refusing to discuss actual events that have taken place, in lieu of attacking sources and the like.

Don't fall for such a lame-ass strategy...

Tico, what do news organizations have to do with the fact that a former escort was let into the WH to ask softball questions of the pres., whilst working for no news organization, under a fake name? Further, how did he recieve access to classified CIA documents? What is the connection between Gannon/Guckert and the Thune campaign? Where does the money that paid Gannon for these two years come from?

I highly doubt you have any sort of answer whatsoever.

Cycloptichorn

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FreeDuck wrote:

There are two distinct parts of salon.com. There are newswire stories that come from reuters mostly, and there are investigative and opinion pieces. The investigative and opinion pieces do lean left and they as much as admit that.

Great. Blatham, you agree?

FreeDuck wrote:

There is a difference, though, at least to me, between presenting the facts with a bias and presenting the bias as the facts. That is the difference between salon.com and the others.

FD, pardon me ... but I feel inclined to --> Rolling Eyes

FreeDuck wrote:

I know for a fact that there are opinion pieces from conservatives on there. When I get back from lunch, I'll dig them up for you.

I was advised that Andrew Sullivan posted there, as if that assuaged any concerns I had that it was exclusively liberal. Not that Sullivan would be a panacea, but it doesn't appear he's posted there in a while. I've not been made aware that they have any other conservative contributors. But I await your research.

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There is a difference, though, at least to me, between presenting the facts with a bias and presenting the bias as the facts. That is the difference between salon.com and the others.

And Ticomaya claims a lack of intellectual honesty from Salon.com when Freeduck so eloquently differentiates between opinion and news vs. the lies and propoganda that are so pervasive with such rags as Newsmax.com.

As Bush is willing to pay his shills well to promote his policies in the guise of news journalism, it only ads fuel to the fire in wondering why these neoconservatives are collectively losing their minds these days:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=46163

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Tico will try to change the subject/confuse the topic as much as possible by refusing to discuss actual events that have taken place, in lieu of attacking sources and the like.'

When have I done this? Please be specific in detailing exactly how I changed the subject, or attempted to confuse the topic in the post of mine you are referring to.

My reference to salon.com to Blatham stems from a conversation we were having on another thread, the genesis of which was Blatham attacking the sources of several conservative posters -- specifically Townhall and Newsmax. I raised what I perceived as hypocrisy on his part for continuing to post from salon.com. He continues to post from salon.com without acknowledging its liberal/anti-Bush bias. You obviously didn't know that when you posted this, did you?

Now, with that context to aid you, care to rethink your above statement?

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I highly doubt you have any sort of answer whatsoever.

Cycloptichorn

I highly doubt I have any real continuing interest in this manufactured topic. When you have information on note concerning any access to classified documents, then I'd be interested. Until then, this is completely off my radar. Good luck getting the answers to those pressing questions, though.

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As I said, rather than attempt to answer or address any actual issues, Tico will dance around credibility and imply this whole thing is set up as a hit on Bush...

Sad, really.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

As I said, rather than attempt to answer or address any actual issues, Tico will dance around credibility and imply this whole thing is set up as a hit on Bush...

Sad, really.

Cycloptichorn

You refusal to correct your mistatement about me is noted.

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Ticomaya said:

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Manufactured topic

The only individual who so effectively manufactured this topic was the one who prefers being "top only."

Ticomaya continues to demonstrate his inability to change the subject.

Very sad...

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