Will Any Gay Marriage Opponents Here Admit to Gay Tendency?

You're right in that it's shameless baiting.

It's a waste of HTML space.

Sharing what? Or are you being facetious, Sozobe?

I thought better of it and deleted.

Yes, I was. It's a comeback used by Dan Savage, the gay author of the sex advice column called "Savage Love." I have already said I found your attitude on this subject deplorable at best.

Am I not entitled to voice my views? Why should one aspect of social opinion be viewed as acceptable?

Eh? Voice 'em. And I'll voice my opposition to 'em.

All true, O'Bill, and I certainly don't see my post as incontrovertible evidence about anything -- rather, something to think about. The "rock the boat" hypothesis certainly works well with some people. However, unlike preferences for unusual styles (odd piercing, etc.), homosexuality is not always expressive. Some homosexuals are very secretive - some have no desire to "rock the boat." Although this is purely anecdotal, my deceased grandfather ended up being a closet homosexual. In his day, this was not a "rock the boat" sort of thing, and his sexual preferences caused him nothing but anguish. Why "choose" this fate? Why "choose" to make a preference that leaves you miserable and secretive? I would never say that people are unable, in the strictest sense, to choose their lifestyles, but I am compelled by evidence that shows a strong predisposition. I would also say that voluntary choice exists on a spectrum if you take a broad view of "capability/incapability." For instance, even with a gun to your head, you're still capable of disobeying your captor, although any orders you obey in this situation strain a common-sense definition of "voluntary." Of course, I'm not saying that sexual preferences are like a loaded gun, but that "choice" might be an ambiguous or poor word with regards to one's sexuality.


As an aside, I apologize for the tardy response. I actually didn't realize that anyone had responded to my post until today.

Steppenwolf: Tardiness apology on a message board is totally unnecessary... but of course accepted. Let me clarify by stating again I don't believe it's a choice for most... but I think it silly to say it is not a choice for any. 'Rock the boat' was just a handy example of why people might choose a path other than the one of least resistance. People choose the path of more resistance for a wide array of reasons. For one thing, human beings can be a self-destructive lot. I'd wager my Kingdom that someone out there, at some point chose the path for the sole purpose of feeling a need to feel humiliated about it. Certainly, this wouldn't be common... but the law of large numbers insists this is so. As the reasons become less likely, so too does the frequency of occurrence, I'm sure... but a blanket statement like gays never choose to be gay would be almost as ridiculous as saying they always do. And, getting back to the original point, as long as there is some who become gay by choice... it remains reasonable for others to seek to restrict it's promotion for the reasons I stated earlier.

Never-gay-by-choicers: If anybody out there really thinks a straight man can't choose to be gay, pass the hat around to your wealthy, hyper-PC friends, escrow the funds at an offshore or Vegas casino, and lets make a VERY substantial wager on it. :wink:

What about men who make that choice because they simply have no luck with women?

Show me one.

I've known several, but maybe it was just their inner gayness creeping out. Ya' think?

What makes you think they would have any better luck with guys?

Don't they show Oz in Oz?

OCCOM BILL, in all due respect, your post(s) show an incredible lack of understanding and knowledge of human sexuality, there are an AWFUL LOT of men and women who are bi-sexual. And to widely varying degreees. Despite the denials, the exceptional cases are the complete homo-sexual and complete hetereo-sexual. Most people have some tendenecy to at least experiment or at least fantasize about experimenting with the same sex. (See Kinsey's scale)

So the people you say make a "choice" are bi-sexual. To me, it is hard to understand how anyone could be 100% gay or 100% straight. BTW at one time, thanks to the guilt and reperession thrust upon me by the catholic church, I was in denial about my sexuality so I know where a lot of ou are coming from, the mere fact that we can't find a single person who opposes gay marriage to admit to the very normal, natural inclination of having a fleeting gay inclination speaks volumes.

One day, people will look at us and laugh about how we were so hung up on worrying about who mated whom and what people did in the privacy of their bedromm and even labeling people at all. Humans cannot be labeled sexually, each individual is unique as to his or her sexual desires, inclinations and practices.

So that is what we need to do, stop labeling people straight, gay, bi, whatever, just accept that everyone is an individual and respect that.

Chrissie wrote:
"So that is what we need to do, stop labeling people straight, gay, bi, whatever, just accept that everyone is an individual and respect that."

Well, it seems that the gay and lesbian community themselves are to blame for much of that. In fact, they keep coming up with new categories to describe their type of gayness.

Me, I'm 100% lesbian.

Sure.

Sure what?

You live in the city, you must see and read the same things I'm seeing and reading, and probably much more concerning your lifestyle choice since that interests you.

People aren't just gay or lesbian anymore, they're biker lez, or skate punk lez, or lipstick lez, grunge lez, club lez... They go to great lengths to pigeonhole themselves. You know I'm not making this up.

Chrissee-

Having a "fleeting thought" regarding the same sex does not constitute a gay tendancy.

So am I to understand that you agree that almost everyone entertains at least a fleeting thought about the possiblity of gay sex?