Should we show respect for other people's "beliefs?"

au1929 wrote:

You will have to specify what beliefs.
I believe we should respect a persons religious beliefs with the proviso's that they not try to impose then on others through legislation and they respect the beliefs of others.
Do unto others as they would do unto you.

That's funny, this is exactly what's going on in some US States with respect to Evolution/Intelligent Design. One viewpoint is being legislated with DISRESPECT for the other. Mad

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Mr Apisa seems to have arrived at the position of granting his respect to the censor who has removed offensive movies (in his virtuous mind)
from the market.

He ought to know that censorship has dangers which might far outwiegh any dangers resulting from the over-sensitivity of certain ethnic groups or emotional states.Our dear Queen has to put up with the most politically incorrect satire imaginable on a daily basis and She does this out of Her self confidence.A recent feature in VIZ,a national institution here,I deemed unsuitable for your eyes.
A confident person is impossible to insult.It is only a felt sense of inferiority which goes all a wobble with indignation.The indignant person is one of the main butts of our national humour and Shakespeare had them rolling in the aisle at The Globe with it.Every famous comic we have had has
strummed this string.Coronation Street depends upon it.They do indignation scenes by the canload.

spendius.

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spendius wrote:

Mr Apisa seems to have arrived at the position of granting his respect to the censor who has removed offensive movies (in his virtuous mind)
from the market.

He ought to know that censorship has dangers which might far outwiegh any dangers resulting from the over-sensitivity of certain ethnic groups or emotional states.Our dear Queen has to put up with the most politically incorrect satire imaginable on a daily basis and She does this out of Her self confidence.A recent feature in VIZ,a national institution here,I deemed unsuitable for your eyes.
A confident person is impossible to insult.It is only a felt sense of inferiority which goes all a wobble with indignation.The indignant person is one of the main butts of our national humour and Shakespeare had them rolling in the aisle at The Globe with it.Every famous comic we have had has
strummed this string.Coronation Street depends upon it.They do indignation scenes by the canload.

spendius.

Well...this post doesn't make much sense...but that is in keeping with so many of Spendius' posts.

He seems much more interested in looking down his pompous Brit nose and spewing lots of words...as though words alone make thoughts...

...than in actually saying anything.

But it is fun to listen in on pomposity.

No surer avenue to a hearty laugh.

Laughing

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au1929 wrote:
You will have to specify what beliefs.
I believe we should respect a persons religious beliefs with the proviso's that they not try to impose then on others through legislation and they respect the beliefs of others.
Do unto others as they would do unto you.

BibleGuru wrote
That's funny, this is exactly what's going on in some US States with respect to Evolution/Intelligent Design. One viewpoint is being legislated with DISRESPECT for the other.

Disagree. People can believe anything they want. And I will respect it as long as they do not try to force it down the throats of others. Particularly the young in our schools. There I draw the line. Religious beliefs should not be mislabeled as science and taught in the public arena

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Twincams said:

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I honestly only have one belief, and that is... we're here until we die, why spend time on religion etc, it's a waste of 'bandwidth'.
So, back to the question at hand... beliefs... I have strong beliefs on certain subjects, they aren't the beliefs of friends/peers/ancestors, they are the result of rational thinking. Any rational thinking human will hold the same beliefs I do... simple as that.

Ok, a swift overview of my beliefs... The 'world' has the power to stop all wars and feed the population of it's planet..... why doesen't it???

There's enough for every person's need, but not enough for everyone's greed.

I really liked this post, Twincams. I've often pondered the use for Religion in the world and come to (nearly) the exact conclusion you have. The only difference is I would like the actual religion, meaning their stories and values, but not the people, kept around for historical and educational purposes.

As for the part about Need vs. greed: Well said. I wish more people thought that way.

au1929 said:

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People can believe anything they want. And I will respect it as long as they do not try to force it down the throats of others. Particularly the young in our schools. There I draw the line. Religious beliefs should not be mislabeled as science and taught in the public arena

I'd like to qualify this statement for the same reasons I listed to Twincams above: Religious beliefs should not be labeled as science and religious beliefs should not be exclusively taught in our schools. I see no problems with teaching students about religion, as long as they do it in an objective, fair manner. Do you disagree, au?

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Taliesin181
Yes and no. A course on comparative religions could be inorder. However, it must be carefully constructed without bias for or against any religion. IMO that is not a course for those below the college level.

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Re: Should we show respect for other people's "beliefs?

Frank Apisa wrote:

I want to acknowledge that I consider beliefs, especially those in the religion area, to be mostly thin air...nothing more than guesses about the unknown....using the word "belief" to disguise the fact that they are guesses.

What is the difference between a belief and something we hold to be true? Is not any preposition a guess about the unknown? Isn't all knowlege belief?

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Welcome, catquas. And good luck with that.

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Re: Should we show respect for other people's "beliefs?

catquas wrote:

What is the difference between a belief and something we hold to be true?

Nothing. Both are guesses.

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Is not any preposition a guess about the unknown?

No.

But you may be asking something other than what you wrote. Look it over...and if you meant something else...post it and I will respond.

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Isn't all knowlege belief?

No.

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If this doesn't fit here, I'll drop it--but was anyone else disconcerted about the EU (or was it just Britain) adopting those censorship laws like the ones in Germany--about no Swastikas in light of that dunce Prince?

Does it worry you?

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Lash wrote:

If this doesn't fit here, I'll drop it--but was anyone else disconcerted about the EU (or was it just Britain) adopting those censorship laws like the ones in Germany--about no Swastikas in light of that dunce Prince?

Does it worry you?

I go along with you on this one, Lash.

Over-reaction of the part of government is worse than not enough reaction at times....and this is one of those instances.

You may not agree with me on this further thought...but it reminds me of the attempts to push through a constitutional amendment to ban flag burning in our own country.

Over-reaction.

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Re: Should we show respect for other people's "beliefs?

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Is not any preposition a guess about the unknown?

No.

But you may be asking something other than what you wrote. Look it over...and if you meant something else...post it and I will respond.

That's just immature, Frank.
Act your age.

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Re: Should we show respect for other people's "beliefs?

binnyboy wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
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Is not any preposition a guess about the unknown?

No.

But you may be asking something other than what you wrote. Look it over...and if you meant something else...post it and I will respond.

That's just immature, Frank.
Act your age.

Don't give lessons in maturity, boy. You don't know anything about it.

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Re: Should we show respect for other people's "beliefs?

binnyboy wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
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Is not any preposition a guess about the unknown?

No.

But you may be asking something other than what you wrote. Look it over...and if you meant something else...post it and I will respond.

That's just immature, Frank.
Act your age.

My views on the above.... I presume most of us (including Frank) are aware that "presupposition" may have been what catquas intended to write. It seems to me, that Frank did an excellent job, he gave the author a chance to amend his post and rectify the situation (it's called "self help")
If I'm unaware of the meaning of a word, I either look it up, or I don't use it... But, maybe catquas believed to the best of his knowledge that he was using the correct word? In which case, Frank's reply was (IMHO) still quite appropriate...what is Frank, the Enigma machine?

The only part of Frank's post I feel may have been a little blunt, was ......

catquas wrote:

Isn't all knowlege belief?

Frank Apisa wrote:
No

Maybe a little blunt, but a quick look in any dictionary would have explained the difference between "knowledge" and "belief"

So to summarise... maybe Frank was a little harsh, but before posting, isn't it always a good idea to gather as many facts as possible?

Twincams

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Thanks, Twincams.

Incidentally...your response to Binnyboy was a lot more measured, courteous and repectful than was mine.

I liked it better than mine.

I do have some rough edges.

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Naw, not you. You're just trying to enlighten the primitive hoardes.

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I couldn't care less about the primative whores!

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What?!!! Frank ... being ..........blunt?? Surely not.

[/mock sarcasm]

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Frank
Keep up the good work. You have them on the run Laughing

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