Should we show respect for other people's "beliefs?"

Hi people, as you can tell by my post count, i'm new on here.

I've been reading through the pile of flapdoodle on this respecting the beliefs of heretic dittle-dottle and am at a loss to understand what it means.

The only post I read which made any sense was by Spendius.

Leaving aside his/her satire in the first paragraph (which was quite funny in view of what had gone before) The question that was being asked there was-do you Yanks respect the beliefs of your parent's generation regarding the aboriginals, who you rifled the rich and bountiful land off and which any broken down, slack-arsed diddico could have made a fortune out of. Either you do or you don't? Please tell us.
Twincams.

Yep...almost all of us realize that "1 post" means "new." But thanks for mentioning it.
Ya never know!!! :wink:

in any case...yes, we did learn how to conduct ourselves among aboriginals. You Brits taught us that lesson very well...and oh, so often.
Wasn't that the lesson of the Brits Move into an area...and kick the **** out of anyone who happened to live on what you then considered your land...and set up those silly little tents and break out table clothes and tea service...and then talk about Queen and country as though you would remain at the top of the hill...rather then end up at the bottom looking up at some third world countries?
Yeah...you taught us to perfection....and we were a bunch of savages.

Ummmm...why did you ask, Twincams?

Did you have a point you were going to make?

I am very interested in what you have to pontficate.

Excellent, an attempt at sarcasm, what a nice start to the day :wink:

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works m8, but i'm 100% Irish and proud of the fact that WE never invaded any country and masacred it's inhabitants.

I recently decided to take a look at the American history (what little it has) and up until recently, native american indians were viewed as cannon fodder

We no longer see films depicting indians as savage killers who must be exterminated at all costs...

...nor films where every american household has a black slave.

Slavery in america was abolished in 1865, and up until that point (and beyond) most americans believed that slavery was acceptable

So I suppose my point is... do the americans still respect their ancestors beliefs??

do you Yanks respect the beliefs of your parent's generation regarding the aboriginals, who you rifled the rich and bountiful land off and which any broken down, slack-arsed diddico could have made a fortune out of. Either you do or you don't? Please tell us.

I always do my best to make newcomers feel like they've been here for ages.

Ahhh...Irish...British...six of one, half dozen of another!

Yep...as I said, we learned that from the British.

...nor films where every american household has a black slave.

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Well..there never were any of those.

Slavery in america was abolished in 1865, and up until that point (and beyond) most americans believed that slavery was acceptable

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No...I don't think so. But if you had said a significant segment of Americans (we like to capitalize that word just as you like to capitalize Irish!)..."believed" that slavery was acceptable...I would agree.

So I suppose my point is... do the americans still respect their ancestors beliefs??

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Tsk, tsk...sloppy capitalization on that word "Americans" again. I often do that with the word "god." I have a reason. Do you have a reason for not capitalizing "America?" One that you would like to share?

But...back to your question.

I cannot speak for the others...but I certainly do not respect the "beliefs" of any Americans of yesteryear who thought it appropriate to consider native Americans to be savages and to indiscriminately slaughter them. I certainly do not respect the "beliefs" of King James or the Americans who thought it appropriate or moral to keep other human beings as slaves.


Hope that has been of help, Twincams.

TWINCAMS wrote:

...nor films where every american household has a black slave.

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Well..there never were any of those.

"ROOTS" springs to mind.

TWINCAMS wrote:

Slavery in america was abolished in 1865, and up until that point (and beyond) most americans believed that slavery was acceptable

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No...I don't think so. But if you had said a significant segment of Americans (we like to capitalize that word just as you like to capitalize Irish!)..."believed" that slavery was acceptable...I would agree.

Agreed, I do tend to exaggerate a little when i'm trying to stress a point.

TWINCAMS wrote:

So I suppose my point is... do the americans still respect their ancestors beliefs??

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Tsk, tsk...sloppy capitalization on that word "Americans" again. I often do that with the word "god." I have a reason. Do you have a reason for not capitalizing "America?" One that you would like to share?

I presume it's for the same reason you don't capitaliSe God, to capitaliSe shows a degree of respect.

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But...back to your question.

I cannot speak for the others...but I certainly do not respect the "beliefs" of any Americans of yesteryear who thought it appropriate to consider native Americans to be savages and to indiscriminately slaughter them. I certainly do not respect the "beliefs" of King James or the Americans who thought it appropriate or moral to keep other human beings as slaves.


Hope that has been of help, Twincams.

My sentiments exactly! Belief is one thing, knowledge is another. We both know that past american "beliefs" were wrong, will future generations of americans, view america's foreign policies in the same light?? Food for thought!

To clear up any misunderstanding - I assume due to your avatar that you're Northern Irish, and therefore part of Great Britain, willingly or not. Is that the case? Thanks.

If we're arguing over slavery, weren't the British (and a few Irish, I'm sure) responsible for the slave trade?

There are many of us Americans who have a huge problem with the thugs who have taken over our government. We still respect our country...and are efforting to get it back on some sort of reasonable course.

It is not going to be an easy job...but we are not going to give up.

As I mentioned...many of this generation already view our path as wrong. If some of you people finding fault with us would get up the spine to insist that your countries stand up to us with a bit more force....perhaps we can get past this unfortunate turn of events.

You might want to consider that!

Seems that although we don't agree on spelling we do agree on other points.

Taliesin181 wrote:
To clear up any misunderstanding - I assume due to your avatar that you're Northern Irish, and therefore part of Great Britain, willingly or not. Is that the case? Thanks.


Most definitely not! I'm Irish, not british. (satirical avatar)

Now that we've put that behind us, where do you stand on the issue of respect of beliefs? So far(and this is not meant to be as defensive as it will come out), all I've heard is America-bashing. What about you, individually?

[There's enough for every person's need, but not enough for everyone's greed.

Lola

When you talk about murders, dictators, terrorists you talk about actions, not believes.
So, what is the criteria?
Was Washington a terrorist in the eyes of british soldiers? Hiroxima was an act of terrorism in the eyes of japanese? Was Lincoln a dictator in the eyes of the southern slavers?

Stalin was an atheist. Bin Laden is a theist. Mother Teresa was a theist. Sartre was an atheist. When did their believes about religion drawn the line? When they become "reprehensible"? Reprehensible by whom? Is Bin Laden reprehensible to fundamentalist muslems? Is Bush reprehensible to Republican voters?