Dean to seek chairmanship of Democrats

What the F has the Democratic Party to do with Lynne Stewart?

What, and the Republican Party are "the party of Pat Buchanan, Timothy McVeigh and John Ashcroft"? Hey, you can always try see if you can get away with it ...

Note: this from the corner where Dems/libs are said to be racist because of how they treat blacks so condescendingly - you know, as folks who need help taking / defending their positions or something. Unlike our non-racist conservatives, who look at the 88% of Afro-Americans who choose to vote Democratic and see - not, of course, people who make an independent choice on the basis of personal and group experience and interests, no - it must just be a mass of all too easily deluded and manipulated black folk, ignorants whom the Dems can just tuck in their back pocket at will.

Its interesting, really, the mirror-effect here. They look at blacks and their voting patterns almost exactly like latte-sipping Vermont liberals look at those Republican-voting Southern working class folk: an undistinct mass of people who are so far removed from their reality that they just cant fathom or comprehend what their personal motivations to vote for the "wrong"party could possibly be - and so, derisively, they instead discount them and conclude that it must just be that they're a flock of all too easily manipulated sheep, who just let themselves be put in McAuliffe's resp. Rove's back pocket.

I say, as long as Republicans can not see how 88% of Blacks came to vote Democratic (in the 2004 elections, yes) beyond how it must all be a supersmart/evil scheme by the Dem strategists & populists, they wont ever extend their 11% share much, because they just dont understand. Just like the Dems wont make any new inroads among, say, Christian working folk until they stop explaining away their failure to do so thus far as, you know - just the result of Rove's evil schemes and rhetorics.

My reasoning may be wrong--but see how I get it--

Imagine DeLay had said such a thing to the Black Caucus as Dean did.

That is about it. Nutshell.

They have been gored, ignored and floored. And, they keep showing up for more. That's fact. I never said it was mindless. They may be pissed. But, they still keep coming back for more. I don't believe I'll let you hang your assumptions on me.

Lash, I think you are guilty of what I am often guilty of. Taking an incident and making out like it is part of a big pattern of such incidents. So far, it is only one comment from one person that was racist even if he didn't mean it that way, it was still racist racist remark and there is no getting around it being a racist remark.

However that hardly warrants this statement, "They have been gored, ignored and floored. And, they keep showing up for more."

(although it is a catchy rhyme)

revel--

I wasn't talking about the treatment of blacks by Dean as DNC chair.

I was talking about the treatment of blacks by the Democrat party for decades.

They are not placed in positions of authority within the DNC, they aren't treated as the important--almost VITAL demographic they are by the party leadership--they are taken for granted. American blacks have had it drilled so deeply in their heads that Republicans want to eat their children--the Democrats have no fear blacks will leave them. So, they go to black churches for a couple of months every four years, sing "We will Overcome", and bag the black vote...

Blacks have risen to positions of REAL authority and RESPECT within the GOP. We actually SHOW what we think of diversity--but it's not based on diversity. It's based on giving due to individuals who achieve--regardless of their color.

We're after blacks--and I think after a bit of Dean--and other realizations--we may get them. And, they'll be equal partners in the GOP--not a group we let out of the back room at election time.

I am not black, so I am not sure that I can speak for them as a whole regarding how they feel about any of this.

But I do know that sometimes what shows on the windows is not what you find in the stores.

Back when the civil rights first began I don't think we had such clearly defined parties. I just know that those who seemed to have stood for other issues such as fair labor laws and equality for women also stood for equality for blacks. Prejudice existed in those days (and if I am not mistaken it still does) and you could not enforce equality for blacks and women and all other groups besides white males without some rules and laws in place.

Even Rice says that racial issues should still be a factor when considering hiring and people getting into colleges and things like that. I agree with her about that.

Democrats believe in helping the common man and all the ideals that go along with that. It does not matter if it is a black democratic or a white democrat, they both believe in the same goals and how to reach those goals.

Like Nimh said, the Black American are not as a group stupid people and I think if things were like you said, they would have caught on a long time ago.

There are some black republicans that believe like white republicans, they believe in smaller governments and things like that. They just believe that way, they don't join the republican party for some fluffy reason like they are going to be in some high position.

If our elected democratic officials are guilty of keeping blacks out of higher positions in the party, then that is something that needs to be brought out and talked about. I think I will look in to it and see. However,if it is true that does not mean that blacks should change over to the republican side unless they believe in the way republicans want to run the country.

I must not have comunicated my meaning adequately. I'll try again.

Giving blacks positions of responsibility and autonomy aren't reasons for blacks to leave the Dems and sign on with the GOP-- It is what the evidence of those positions REVEALS about the GOP---and almost moreso--what the LACK of similar respect in the Dem party reveals about them---these are the reasons I think blacks should take an unbiased look at what the GOP has to offer--

Just because a party disrespects racial preferences doesn't mean it doesn't respect black individuals.

A comment of yours--

There are some black republicans that believe like white republicans, they believe in smaller governments and things like that.

<Absolutely right, revel.>

They just believe that way, they don't join the republican party for some fluffy reason like they are going to be in some high position.

<Right again. I don't know what made you think that was my meaning. It is only evidence of the GOP's relationship to blacks--not a bribe.>
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You said because there are highly placed blacks in the GOP, blacks should take an un-biased look at what republicans have to offer. Correct?

This is assuming that the black americans that are democrats have just been clueless to date and if only they would see how many people of their ethnic background fare so much better in the GOP...

I am sorry lash, I don't think you can explain this one any more ways to come out any differently.

Why not just try to spread the GOP message on it's own merits without trying to discredit the democrats?

I am not conceding the point that there are more highly placed blacks in the GOP than there are in the democrat platform. I am just saying that if it is true, then we as democrats have something to work on. Not to just have more highly placed blacks, but just because it is unfair on it's own not to.

No, that's not it, revel. You've sort of missed the forest because of the trees---but, no matter.

No problem.

OK

This reminds me of an old Scrappleface thread:


I'M OUTRAGED!!!
OUTRAGED AT THE OUTRAGEOUSNESS OF THE OUTRAGE PERPETRATED ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY ANARCHO-SYNDICALISTS, CYNICAL LIBERTARIANS, MODERATE SOCIALISTS, CONFLICTED LIBERALS WHO HATE THE LEFT-WING KOOKS IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

I AM OUTRAGED AT THE OUTRAGEOUS BEHAVIOR OF MYOPTIC-JINGOISTIC NEO-CON-STOOL-TOADS, BACKSLIDING MISANTHROPIC DECONSTRUCTIONISTS, AND DISETHICAL ASCRIPTIVE-SYNTHO REVISIONIST COBBLEBUMS WHO DESPISE ALL ETHNOCENTRIC REDOUBTERS AS EVANGELIC RIGHT-WING REBUTT-JOBS!

That is all.

huh?

We ought to settle something right now.

Are you going to use this as an excuse not to pay me in three months?

...And, this one isn't really substantial...

I have a few set- in- concrete, personal morals.

I have a deep disgust for people who welsh on bets, lie trying to get out of bets, and don't stand up to their word regarding bets--which is why I was attempting to make things crystal clear before we agreed to it.

You can be assured I will be completely forthright concerning this bet. You can be assured of prompt payment with no complaints or sour grapes if, by some act of Beelzebub, Dean doesn't meet the standard I set.

I don't know why--but bets, to me, are a very strong indicaor of character. Therefore, I am more apt o lean your way if there's a question, rather than push for the decision to go my way.

Still, I think the odds of you winning are one in a million. Dean's already started working for me, and the first week hasn't even passed.

I'm actually mulling a second bet.

So that's a yes?

Glad you reminded me. Let me go forth onto the net, and see what stupid **** Dean has said today. There's been something in the headlines the last two or three days...

...shopping for dollars...

'Cause if it is a 'yes', then the bet's off...

PDiddie-

I don't blame you for wanting out of the bet. For about ten minutes last night, I thought about PMing you--and letting you out of it with no mention on the board. But, I decided you'd tell people I wanted out of the bet--

<smiles>

If you want out of it, like I said, I understand. Just say so. Of course, that will come with a sheeting cascade of the most vainglorious persecutions ever seen in these parts. Likely not at first--but each and every time you make assertions of just about any degree on just about any subject.

One way to avoid this would be to request a release from the bet, adding that

I.....was.....right.

...and a careful practice not to challenge my assertions in the future, either directly or indirectly.

Then, you may go in peace.

While you mull this, here is some reading material for you...
Thursday, Feb. 17, 2005 10:56 a.m. EST
Top Black Dem: Dean Should Apologize

The most powerful African-American member of the House of Representatives is calling on Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean to apologize for a racially insensitive joke he told Friday during an address to the Congressional Black Caucus.

Asked on Tuesday if Dean should apologize for suggesting during his address that minorities usually work as servants, Rep. Charles Rangel told ABC Radio's Sean Hannity, "If he offended anybody, he certainly should."

Critics say Dean crossed the line when he told the CBC, "You think the Republicans could get this many people of color in a single room? Only if they had the hotel staff in here."
Addressing the comment directly, the Harlem Democrat said, "I think Dean may not have used the right language, which he has had problems with before."

Rangel went on to explain that what the DNC chief meant to say was that "the Republican Party finds it very, very difficult to attract blacks to become public officials."

Lt. Gov. Michael Steele, who is Maryland's first black to hold that office, joined with former Rep. J.C. Watts yesterday to demand that Dean apologize, and expanded on his complaint last night.

"I think it is rather presumptive [for Dean] to presume that the staff in the hotel is African-American," Steele told Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes." Steele said the DNC chairman's remark was further evidence that the Democratic Party takes the black vote for granted.

"If I or another Republican had made a statement like that, it would be all over the place," Steele added. "And so the reality is for me, when I read that and hear it, it's offensive, because what it says is you don't see me in any other role."

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<smiles sweetly>

It's almost too easy isn't, Lash.

He opened his gig by touting to all the special interest he could only to gaffe big time, what a narrow minded putz.