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Dean to seek chairmanship of Democrats

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2005 07:39 pm
I should clarify that "Christian" means different things to different people.

Certainly, the Religious Right and Christian are not interchangable in the referenced connotation. Re the GOP, "Christian" merely denotes belief, acted on or not.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2005 08:09 pm
Dean's Zeal Is Looking Like Zealotry, Some Fear
Tone down the rhetoric, Democrats tell their leader after his recent inflammatory remarks.
By Richard Simon
Times Staff Writer

June 10, 2005

WASHINGTON ?- When Howard Dean was chosen to head their party, Democrats looked forward to the benefits of his bristling energy and zest for political combat.

But at a private meeting Thursday on Capitol Hill, a number of worried Senate Democrats warned Dean that he had been going overboard and needed to choose his words more carefully.

The former Vermont governor and unsuccessful presidential candidate recently referred to the GOP as "pretty much a white, Christian party" and declared that a lot of Republicans have "never made an honest living in their lives."

Sen. Russell D. Feingold (D-Wis.) said that at the Capitol Hill meeting, "there couldn't be any doubt that there was some concern, even by Dean himself," about how his comments had been received.

The meeting had been scheduled to discuss party strategy before Dean's controversial comments.

Also Thursday, two Democrats seen as rising stars ?- Rep. Harold Ford of Tennessee and Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner ?- made a point of distancing themselves from Dean's remarks.

Ford, who plans a Senate run next year, said on the Don Imus radio show that if Dean could not "temper his comments, it may get to the point where the party may need to look elsewhere for leadership, because he does not speak for me."

Ford later told The Times that Dean was "leading us in a direction that makes it difficult to win…. His leadership right now is not serving any of us very well."

Warner, who has been mentioned as a possible 2008 presidential candidate, said Dean was using "not the kind of tone that I would use, not the kind of tone a lot of the Democratic governors in mostly Republican states are using to get elected or to govern." Warner made his comments at a luncheon at The Times' Washington bureau.

After the meeting on Capitol Hill, Senate Democrats expressed continuing support for Dean, who was elected chairman of the Democratic National Committee in February.

"Every single one of us has stuck our foot in our mouths at one point in our public careers, and we've paid for it the next day," said Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.).

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) said that although she didn't agree with Dean's recent comments, she considered him an effective party chairman.

"That is why the Republicans are so relentlessly going after him," she said.

The flap demonstrates Democrats' conflict over how sharply party leaders should express themselves after the party's 2004 election losses.

"We really don't have a message right now," Ford lamented.

Dean is no stranger to controversy.

His strong opposition to the Iraq war helped him emerge as the initial front-runner in the race for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination, but his candidacy faded after a series of verbal gaffes.

He was especially hurt by his overheated concession speech after finishing third in the Iowa caucuses.

When Dean sought the party chairmanship, he attracted support with speeches that fiercely attacked President Bush and the Republican Party. He has continued such pugnacity since becoming chairman, but it was his recent remarks that heightened concern among Democrats.

Dean, in a speech Monday in San Francisco, said Republicans were "not very friendly to different kinds of people. They are a pretty monolithic party…. It's pretty much a white, Christian party."

A recent CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll found that 82% of Republicans identified themselves as white Christians. For Democrats, the figure was 57%. Given those findings, some people defended Dean's comment. But many criticized it as divisive.

Christian Coalition President Roberta Combs said in a statement: "Howard Dean, when he was elected chairman, promised to reach out to all the states that voted for President Bush in last year's election. Disparaging Christians is not the smartest way to do this."

Democrats who believed they lost votes last year on values-related issues worried that Dean's comments would give Republicans an opening to portray Democrats as ?- as one congressional Democratic aide put it ?- a "godless party."

That aide, who requested anonymity, also said Dean's comment that a lot of Republicans "never made an honest living in their lives," which Dean made in a speech in Washington last week, could hurt Democratic efforts to win support from middle-class Republicans.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said on her way into the Capitol Hill meeting with Dean that he "ought to stick to organization, raising funds and supporting Democrats, rather than creating friction and splitting the party." She added that she would advise Dean to "cool it."

A Feinstein spokesman said after the meeting that the senator had expressed her concerns to Dean, but in a more diplomatic way.

Among those who expressed their concerns to Dean at the meeting were Democrats from states carried by President Bush.

Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), up for reelection next year, said that he cautioned Dean "not to get caught up in the Washington game of political polarization."

Dean's response was, "Thank you," Nelson said.

Dean declined to speak with reporters after the meeting. While walking away briskly, he said he planned to be "focusing on the future."

Political analysts agreed that Dean's recent comments could hurt Democrats. "Every time he makes an outrageous remark, other Democratic leaders have to answer questions about it," said John J. Pitney Jr., a political scientist at Claremont McKenna College. "So instead of talking about their best issues, they're talking about their loose cannon.

"He's throwing them off message."

Don Kettl, a University of Pennsylvania political scientist, added: "The Democrats wanted Dean in part because he showed how to raise huge sums of money on the Internet ?- and because he was a live wire who could energize the party. But high-current wires can sometimes cause painful shocks too."

Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) said he didn't think Dean's comments were helpful to the party. But he noted, as did a number of other Democratic senators, that Dean was still new to his job as chairman and had been accustomed to speaking his mind as a governor and presidential candidate.

"This is a learning process," he said. If Dean were to continue to make the sort of comments he has made recently, Biden said, "he might find himself in a real difficult situation. But I think you'll see him be a little more careful in how he phrases things. Do I think this has caused long-term damage for the Democratic Party? No. If it becomes the steady diet for the next three years? Yeah."

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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2005 08:22 pm
and then there's always my thoughts (however meaningless they may be) that Dean is indeed representing the mainstream of the democratic party sick of the sell-out of the current dem power bloc and its move to the right, if we wanted another repub in office we would vote for Hillary and we would talk nice-nice about the idiot wind blowing out of white house/senate/house. Tom Delay is a crook and Frist is a mealy mounthed wannabe (the dems are equally vile) I am not a Dean fan (he's a conservative that just happens to oppose the Iraq invasion)
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2005 08:34 pm
I don't think he represents the mainstream Dems, he represents the the Move On and Michael Moore crowd....erm....okay now we agree..no...erm?

Since the Party has been taken over by Move On etc. does that make them the mainstream of the Party? Or just the segment who has the power?

Anyway, Kerry needed to win twice the moderates than he did to win, I don't think Dean will sway them over as he has been conducting himself.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2005 08:50 pm
It wouldn't bother me if a guy came out talking about substantive differences with the GOP--and HE represented the mainstream of the Dem party.

If you'll notice, all Dean does is the personal attack.

I hope sincerely this is not the best the mainstream of the Dem party has to offer.

Message...plan...purpose....????

In a vaccuum, something will rise up.

In the Dem's vaccuum of ideas, hate has risen to fill the void.

It is increasingly ugly.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2005 09:03 pm
um well I am definitly not MoveOn or Moore(ish) nor am I much of dean fan but really folks don't you like to see some differences of opinon? Ok maybe you don't and maybe you need to think about that sans the knee-jerk.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2005 09:07 pm
If we didn't like to see differences of opinion we wouldn't hang around A2K, eh?
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2005 09:10 pm
I don't categorize you as Moore-ish or MoveOn-ish.

Dys-- Republicans never worked a day in their lives isn't a political idea. Republicans all look alike and think alike isn't substantive dialogue. I hate Republicans isn't political discourse.

If he took serious issue with an actual political idea, at least it would be in the ballpark....in the realm of what he's supposed to be doing....

These things are nothing more than personal attack. He's the knee-jerk.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2005 09:18 pm
So when Zell went agog with his rants, you where like quick to point out how this guy lacked substance and appeared to the reincarnation of Wallace? Reality bites!
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2005 09:30 pm
Hmmm. I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

For clarification, almost all politicos say something negative about their opposition. Zell, many of the GOP Convention speakers and the Dem....that was the time to do it.

The paid figureheads of the parties are hired to represent and raise money. Dean has the Dems chorusing that he doesn't speak for them. He's not only not helping them--he's making it hard for them.

When is the last time you heard a GOP Chair say anything like Dean has been saying?

But, I don't want to stop him. I'm just surprised people who want the Dems to succeed are supporting Dean. They should force him out.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2005 10:32 pm
Shhhhhh, Lash ...... shhhhhhhhh! Let 'em have their fun. Its good for us. Mr. Green
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2005 07:26 am
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jun, 2005 07:47 am
Dean is a particularly fitting representative of the Democrat party as it really is - perhaps that's why the true believers love him so. . Full of sound & fury, propelled by an angry, self-righteous sense of indignation, and utterly captive to the meaningless slogans of the various single issue loonie groups that animate it.

The whole thing is seriously deficient in any coherent body of political thought or action. However, I wouldn't change it for the world.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 12:49 pm
Accusing half the country of treason is a brilliant political strategy.

(But, oh, that Howard Dean -- what a nutcase!)
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 01:01 pm
No mention of treason or patriotism.

Just characterizing the difference in conservatives and liberals...which is the worse thing you can do to liberals, it seems.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 01:15 pm
Quote:
"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for war; liberals wanted to offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."


Really, sweetie, if you can't understand what that is calling red-blooded taxpaying Americans, then I'm glad you finished school before competency testing became rote.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 01:17 pm
Are you saying that the liberals weren't thumping the rest of us for "our part in why they attacked" and are you saying that liberals didn't say widely, "we should understand WHY they did what they did?"

I CAN find the quotes.

Rove spoke the truth.


Sweetie.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 01:27 pm
I'm saying Karl Rove is a c*ck-sucking sack of sh*t.

Pumpkin.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 03:34 pm
Jeez, can't you dunces on the right realize that we have to go after our attackers AND figure out their reasoning?

I find it to be really funny that Rove makes these remarks and ignores the fact that his administration has failed to catch OBL for 45 months now. 45 months. The only people who talk about catching OBL anymore? Liberals.

Cycloptichorn
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jun, 2005 03:36 pm
Yeah. They talk.
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