Evolutionry/religious nonsense

@brianjakub,

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@farmerman,
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”Bioogical Science has resisted the acceptance of CSI (“Conservation of Specific Information”) by intelligent design since I proposed it. What does he expect? If he’s so damned sure about everything, he like you and jakub, need to get off collective asses and do the work . . .
So you would be in favor of starting the program up at Baylor and bringing in somebody better like me to help run it? And also teaching the hypothesis in high school to generate interest so other universities can start research programs also?

Btw what religious view did i promote in any of my arguments lately about ID, algorithms, frame of reference, etc . . .

Are you picking on my non religious arguments because you think i am a religious person?

I did not identify the intelligence. that is less biological science and more forensics. That would be religious in nature, but if done from a forensic point of view, not religious.

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@farmerman,

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My question is, "what religion is it that I promoted in my interpretation of the evidence?
Pretty much youve been speking Fundamentalit Chritianity (I really care little about which persuasion) YEC OEC or TEc.

Please provide a quote from my algorithm argument, robot, frame of reference argument where I used religion. The only religious post I have in this thread was an answer to jerland https://able2know.org/topic/422776-21#post-6570714 specifically asking me about My view of the problem the algorithm is solving. In the scientific debate I kept it purely scientific.

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@rosborne979,

rosborne979 wrote:

It says Evolutionary process give rise to biodiversity at every
level including organisms. Which is very different from saying that organisms evolve. Organisms do not undergo biological evolution because the process, by definition, requires multiple generations, along with variation and selection to happen.

Everything evolves.. it's just the way it is. Our definition and understanding of things change. We don't restrict our perception to any given point.

Is biological evolution fluid or is it stepped? We can see the steps but the rise isn't as visible and I believe our definition restricts that vision is some ways. It almost seems to give rise to herd mentality.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

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It isn't a crime to look at something in a different perspective.
Looking at something from a novel perspective is certainly good, just make ure youre not wasting any time or money picking experiments from mythology.

As you notice science doesnt waste any time doing any ID"research".

Relativity.. my perspective is everything is in relation. It's all part of one. Can you understand the dog by simply looking at it's skin? There's so much to consider when attempting to understand anything completely.

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@Setanta,

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This joker Jerlands has posted a video in another thread which has nice graphics and slick production values--but the burden of the first few minutes is to portray science as a belief system identical to religion. It begins with a set of statements which are not substantiated and many of which are pure bullsh*t. After a few minutes, Í shut it down, because I don't intend to waste more than an hour of my time on god-botherer propaganda, and really ham-handed propaganda, too, despite the flashy production values of the fil-um.

That's why I have so little patience with these jokers after 15 years of this dog and pony show. They bring no evidence, and they lie about their underlying motive.

You show your ignorance. The Thunderbolts project is ongoing. It's evolutionary. It's something you're unaware of and apparently unappreciative of because it conflicts with your view.

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@farmerman,

I think there are basically 3 postures to hold in attempt to understand cosmology. 1.) ID 2.) agnostic 3.) atheist and I believe all three have their place because.. well.. they exist. Nothing arises without resistance and so that resistance is important. It's similar to the story of Osiris and Seth. Light doesn't manifest unless something gets in it's way. So.. does light exist if we don't see it?

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@brianjakub,

farmerma, setanta, roseborn979

If we use our intelligence to reproduce the conditions for abiogenisis in a lab (or outside a lab) our intelligence ends up being a factor (and possibly a requirement) for the lab experiment to be successful.

If our is intelligence not a requirement we should see pools of water without life one day, containing life the next without our intervention. But running around daily checking sterile pools for life (which is the only way to truly observe abiogenisis) has not been fruitful, and I doubt ever will be.

If there was an intelligent initiation that set up the environment in the universe, it does not have to be the omnipitent Christian God of the bible.

It could be a smaller god that can only order a small part of the universe(the part we can see and live in, similar to a lab but larger in scope). It's intelligence could have a beginning similar to abiogenis. This intelligence could have been established as a natural part of the initial matter by or with the laws of physics, and through trial and and error (learning through experience) caused abiogenis and biological evolution.

This would make this initial intelligence a purely part of a purely natural process like ours, and abiogenis in an ancient universe, would be an exact replica (maybe even in size) of what we are attempting to do again in labs today.

Maybe this intelligence was known to the ancient men as Pantheism, Paganism, Hinduism, Buddhism etc. . . and is now come to be understood as Naturalism.

You can believe in this form of intelligent design and still be an atheist.

You think we could scientifically approach intelligent design from this point of view?

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@jerlands,

jerlands wrote:

I think there are basically 3 postures to hold in attempt to understand cosmology. 1.) ID 2.) agnostic 3.) atheist and I believe all three have their place because.. well.. they exist. Nothing arises without resistance and so that resistance is important. It's similar to the story of Osiris and Seth. Light doesn't manifest unless something gets in it's way. So.. does light exist if we don't see it?

I might elaborate though.. there are natural laws (rules) for a fair fight and those that set up a fight. Similar to how we try and define "rules of engagement."
I just don't think that's fair is a whole nother discussion but can't be approached when one considers there are no boundaries.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

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It isn't a crime to look at something in a different perspective.
Looking at something from a novel perspective is certainly good, just make ure youre not wasting any time or money picking experiments from mythology.

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@jerlands,

An electric universe conference . . . ah-hahahahahahahahahahaha . . .

Television has rotted their minds.

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@brianjakub,

Who is gonna run around looking for such pools? How would new life prevail in a biosphere saturated with potential colonists? Your view is hopelessly naïve.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Who is gonna run around looking for such pools? How would new life prevail in a biosphere saturated with potential colonists? Your view is hopelessly naïve.

Ok.. let's explore what you're saying (which I don't understand.)
What is "a biosphere saturated with potential colonists?"

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@Setanta,

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who is going to run around looking for such pools?

Not naive. You made my point, a true example of abiogenesis without intelligent initiation in a lab is almost unprovable in our current environment.

We must take it on faith that it happened.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

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It isn't a crime to look at something in a different perspective.
Looking at something from a novel perspective is certainly good, just make ure youre not wasting any time or money picking experiments from mythology.

Interesting to me is how the mummy is bound (encased) in nature.

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n629/jerlands/Coffin-of-Henettawy.-XXI-Dynasty.-Ancient-Egypt_1.jpg

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

As you notice science doesnt waste any time doing any ID"research".

Is Egyptology Science?

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@jerlands,

keep trying to be silly by flopping about and Ill ignore you and you will disappear. YOU know what we were talking about so stop playing the fool. I give you more credit than that.
Using the mythology surrounding Egyptian gods to verify Biology is not science, whereas the study of the FACTS of Egyptian History is.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

keep trying to be silly by flopping about and Ill ignore you and you will disappear. YOU know what we were talking about so stop playing the fool. I give you more credit than that.
Using the mythology surrounding Egyptian gods to verify Biology is not science, whereas the study of the FACTS of Egyptian History is.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

keep trying to be silly by flopping about and Ill ignore you and you will disappear.

False.. I'll still be here. Whether or not you matter will be the question.

farmerman wrote:

Using the mythology surrounding Egyptian gods to verify Biology is not science, whereas the study of the FACTS of Egyptian History is.

You missed the point about relativity. Also.. you might read this..

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@jerlands,

Just because people believe in god’s doesn’t make it true that god’s exists That’s also true for the tooth fairy.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Just because people believe in god’s doesn’t make it true that god’s exists That’s also true for the tooth fairy.

And because people don't believe in "God" does that make it true? And I'm not talking the about the tooth fairy here.

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