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Evolutionry/religious nonsense

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 05:56 pm
@jerlands,
I know him, hes kind of a smart guy, but a real dick wjen it comes to biology .Hes like the carpenter"When the only tool you have is a hammer, you see all the worlds problems as a nail"

He sees everything as I. T.
jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 06:05 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

how does an individual evolve? Does it wake up one day and announce it?
OR, is there some meeting of trait and environments that confers suitability to continue and passing this suitability to offspring?

Wikipedia needs some editing on their statement about evolution on individuals. (The AGI encyclopedia clearly states evolution affects GROUPS OF INDIVIDUALS WITHIN A POPULATION)


How does an individual evolve I think one question. Related is how that information might be passed to future generations.

How does anything evolve? It faces a problem and searches for a solution. The solution is the byproduct of the trial. So..with scientific evaluation of bioevolution we see markers of this struggle for survival as physical traits that are observable.

How is that information passed to future generations... I think it's done through one form of communication or another.
jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 06:18 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

I know him, hes kind of a smart guy, but a real dick wjen it comes to biology .Hes like the carpenter"When the only tool you have is a hammer, you see all the worlds problems as a nail"

He sees everything as I. T.


The sole purpose of science as I see it is search for proof. That position however requires one assume some posture in relation to the whatever query there might be.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 06:20 pm
@jerlands,
I think ros's post was accurate quite elegantly presented . Just by the definition, most organisms reproduce via congress of gametes (haploid sex cells) , male and female. Sex already opens the door to at least 2 no?, Or, in the game of evolutionary dice, we see an organism that may have been dealt a genic complement that passes the portal of natural selection(for the environment under inspection at that time) . In order for it to play as evolution, the trait in question has to be passed on as a heritable trait to offspring does it not?
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 06:22 pm
@jerlands,
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The sole purpose of science as I see it is search for proof.
Tell that to Bill Demski, Michael Behe , Steve Austen and severl others. They dont engage in searching for evidence. They mostly engage in denial of most other evidence
jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 06:28 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

I think ros's post was accurate quite elegantly presented . Just by the definition, most organisms reproduce via congress of gametes (haploid sex cells) , male and female. Sex already opens the door to at least 2 no?, Or, in the game of evolutionary dice, we see an organism that may have been dealt a genic complement that passes the portal of natural selection(for the environment under inspection at that time) . In order for it to play as evolution, the trait in question has to be passed on as a heritable trait to offspring does it not?


What other means of passing information on are there? I mean... everything in the environment affects genetic expression and makeup.
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jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 06:29 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
The sole purpose of science as I see it is search for proof.
Tell that to Bill Demski, Michael Behe , Steve Austen and severl others. They dont engage in searching for evidence. They mostly engage in denial of most other evidence


I don't know well any of the above but I do think your evaluation lacking.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 06:36 pm
Everything is mutable over time. But when you're dealing with the god-botherers, they already assume an act of creation, and therefore their perception of the process of evolution is that all processes and determining factors are carved in stone. (They are, of course, being deceitful when they debate here, because they don't accept that evolution occurs, and argue just to provide a springboard for ID, which is another form of "goddidit.")

The most obvious example of what you allude to in regard to conditions at the time that sexual reproduction takes place are the woolly mammoth and the woolly rhinoceros. Those species evolved into their eventual forms (evolved as species, not, of course, individuals) in the "ice age" environment. When the huge ice caps began to shrink, and glaciers to melt, those species were screwed. But both rhinoceros and mammoth which were not woolly survived. Their descendants exist to this day. It is my experience that the religious, anti-evolution crowd just don't see a process over time, which changes again, and again, and again . . . and always will.
jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 06:38 pm
@Setanta,
Nothing is known. We may assume things but nothing is known. It isn't a crime to look at something in a different perspective.
jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 07:03 pm

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 07:30 pm
@jerlands,
There are no gods. Who were god's parents? How many gods are there? Who created all those gods?
jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2018 08:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Helloandgoodbye
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2018 06:50 am
@cicerone imposter,
Or man is the creation of God of course. And a fairy tale like evolution is just the most popular story of our time.

Actually I recently watched an Illusionist reveal a big secret about how illusions work. The number one thing is to get the audience to *Assume* what they are being told is real. In other words assumptions are the foundational pillars of the illusion.....just like being told the story of evolution!

Some of the foundational pillars (assumptions) of evolutionism are
1. Life is simple, and can be created by ocean vents and chemical ‘soups’
2. Flesh eating has always existed and ‘death is good’ and has always existed
3. The present things we measure have always been *Constant* (dating techniques are a prime example of this Too.)
4. That micro-evolution can lead to macro evolution.

****Whereas the Truth is life is complex, that God created life originally vegetarian, the universe and earth are apx 6,000 yrs old, and that he created life with ‘sensors’ to adapt like a car with headlight sensors for day/night.****

A great recipe for a great illusion/deception! Like Santa or the tooth fairy deceiving children. Or all the immorality Lies (deceptions) in our world being taught as ‘good’ and true ranging from sex outside of marriage, abortion, homosexuality, polygamy, Beastiality etc.
As well as all the other False teachings like Jehovah witness teach Jesus was a created being, or how Catholics worship Mary (a dead pathetic sinner) or Muslims teach Jesus was merely a prophet.

Who or what has created such illusions:
http://biblehub.com/revelation/12-9.htm

30 second video on illusions/assumptions:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zNbF006Y5x4


rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2018 07:05 am
@jerlands,
It says Evolutionary process give rise to biodiversity at every
level including organisms. Which is very different from saying that organisms evolve. Organisms do not undergo biological evolution because the process, by definition, requires multiple generations, along with variation and selection to happen.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2018 08:54 am
@Setanta,
this is not to say that the variability (as an ingredient to the evolution by natural selection of a species) is not added to the mix by individuals. It just that we reserve certain words to imply "what evolution is"(as defined by guys like Mayr or Ehrlich and Holm). I recall we had a discussion here a year ago about whether the origin of life was actually evolution.
TomTomBinks
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2018 08:56 am
@Helloandgoodbye,
Hello,
You're doing the same thing! It's just that your assumptions are different. Can't you see that?
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2018 08:57 am
@jerlands,
Quote:
It isn't a crime to look at something in a different perspective.
Looking at something from a novel perspective is certainly good, just make ure youre not wasting any time or money picking experiments from mythology.

As you notice science doesnt waste any time doing any ID"research".
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2018 09:18 am
@farmerman,
This joker Jerlands has posted a video in another thread which has nice graphics and slick production values--but the burden of the first few minutes is to portray science as a belief system identical to religion. It begins with a set of statements which are not substantiated and many of which are pure bullsh*t. After a few minutes, Í shut it down, because I don't intend to waste more than an hour of my time on god-botherer propaganda, and really ham-handed propaganda, too, despite the flashy production values of the fil-um.

That's why I have so little patience with these jokers after 15 years of this dog and pony show. They bring no evidence, and they lie about their underlying motive.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2018 09:55 am
@Setanta,
true dat. The only thing that annoys me is that every year or two we seem to get a whole NEW batch of em with the same ole stories, denials, assertions and references.

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Helloandgoodbye
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jan, 2018 10:39 am
@TomTomBinks,
Doing the same thing you say? 🤔
So, a 6,000 year old scientific theory is just as relevant?
This interpretation of the evidence?
Now, try Telling that to those who embrace evolutionism as their position/religious teaching 😳
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