Evolutionry/religious nonsense

@jerlands,

The number one religious position/teaching in the world right now next to Islam is there is ‘no intelligent God’....just an unintelligent ‘force’ creating things. (The crutch is faith in evolutionary teachings)

Humanism. Making mankind ‘god’....dictating right from wrong. Partly why it is attracting for so many ppl.
Ignore the truth, to elevate ourselves into the ‘god’ positron.

This goes back to the garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve were tempted to eat the fruit ‘to be like God’ dictating right from wrong....which leads to chaos/anarchy, dysfunction and death Sad

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@Helloandgoodbye,

Helloandgoodbye wrote:

This goes back to the garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve were tempted to eat the fruit ‘to be like God’ dictating right from wrong....which leads to chaos/anarchy, dysfunction and death

I understand the law as "to take the lord's name in vain." Man is not "God." Man can rise. It's a matter of perception and loss of identity (and then maybe a matter of trying to regain that identity.)

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@jerlands,

It's just silly to believe that the rest of humanity has to suffer for the "sins' of Adam and Eve.

So a couple in a community commits robbery, and the rest of the community must suffer the consequences of their crime. Silly.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

Evolution is a scientific fact. Study "Darwin's finches."

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@cicerone imposter,

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It's just silly to believe that the rest of humanity has to suffer for the "sins' of Adam and Eve.

So a couple in a community commits robbery, and the rest of the community must suffer the consequences of their crime. Silly.

Yes, that story is silly... as you tell it. Maybe it's you.. maybe it's me... I don't know.

What do you know about Adam? We're told he was the 1st man but the name Adam in Hebrew has something to do with "to be red." Some people think it has to do with man being formed from clay And then there's the closely associated word Adamah which means earth or ground(?) And this isn't even to mention Eve (to breath) so what are we really talking about here?

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Superstition--as far as those silly old bobble tales are concerned.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Evolution is a scientific fact. Study "Darwin's finches."

Here's another version of cosmology.

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@cicerone imposter,

Amazing! After 31 pages on this thread, the best argument for evolution is Finches? This is yet another pure example of why evolutionism is bankrupt. Utterly bankrupt.

Never mind altogether lacking repeatable, denonstartable, observable evidence like bacteria (single-called organisms) being created in ‘chemical soups.’
Kinda like saying Nano-technology (microscopic machines designed and engineered by humans) could be created by ‘natural process’ like a tornado ripping thru a junkyard.

Amazing! Absolutely amazing that such a teaching can be and would be even considered by Anyone 😳😳😳
I can’t believe some days looking back on my past I was fooled into such a false teaching, such backwards logic.

Listen brother, as I commented on the last page of this thread, how Illusions work/operate. *Assumptions* (which is what evolutionism is built upon)
Ie. that flesh eating and death are ‘good.’ And required.
(A major contradiction to biblical teaching that God created all living beings vegetarian, to eat every seed and plant for food.)
Besides, how many hardcore evolutionists parade around shouting ‘ hooray!’ So and so just died, yippee! Evolution at work! Awesome! Great! Bloodshed...woot woot! No one does this.....why? Why? Because everyone knows deep down death and bloodshed are NOT ‘Good’....everyone should know deep down evolutionary teachings are not ‘good’, that they are a lie, illlogical, bankrupt, godless thinking which are world needs to be purged of.

They are designed to fool the most highly intellectual People.

Here is a short summary of why the evidence everyone can observe for themselves regarding ‘evolution’ of finches fits perfectly into a creation model/worldview.
http://www.creationmoments.com/radio/transcripts/darwins-finches-–-no-proof-evolution

Sure, God created dogs according to their ‘kind,’ cats according to their ‘kind,’ whales/dolphins according to their ‘kind,’ and finches according. to. their. *Kind.*!
Monkey kind, humankind.....

Love you guys, really do. But I hate the lie of evolutionism. I want to build you guys up, and tear down false teachings like evolution, Jehovah witness, Catholicism, Islam etc.
*sigh* my heart is saddened really by all this.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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Never mind altogether lacking repeatable, denonstartable, observable evidence like bacteria (single-called organisms) being created in ‘chemical soups

Your brain seems to be "denonstartable" too, because you dont even know what evolution is about.

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A major contradiction to biblical teaching that God created all living beings vegetarian

. When god created carnivore teeth, he fucked up eh?

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*sigh* my heart is saddened really by all this.

You could cheer it up by getting a biology book and asking someone to read it to you, (maybe some 13 yr old kid??). Your problem is ignorance and misinformation bought from the Ken Hovind's of the world and not even questioning "why are carnivore toothed animals all vegetarians?".

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@Setanta,

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Who is gonna run around looking for such pools?

I suspect you are feigning ignorance for the sake of 'chumming the waters' but I'll bite anyway.

That would be a great many scientists and fanatics such as yourself. The pools they are looking in might be on Mars or the moons of Jupiter and Saturn but they are sitting around watching and waiting, holding their breath, hoping for their vaunted prophecy to come true, that anywhere you have water, hydrocarbons and energy, life will emerge.

ID does not absolutely preclude that happening but my personal prediction is that the designer was probably only interested in putting life where it could develop into the final form desired.

So there you go, an ID prediction.

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@farmerman,

Another assumption you are relying heavily upon. (That sharp teeth=flesh eating, *Always* in the present, and in the distant past)

‘Carnivore teeth’ can be used for fruit and vegetables too of course.
Just as I use my big knives at home for watermelons, or anything else.
Mosquitoes can use their needle nose to draw juice from fruits or blood from a Person.
I can use my hand to shake your hand, or make a fist and cause harm.
Fruit bats have similar dental structure to Trex, and well, they are *Fruit* bats.

We have physically observed vegetarian lions
http://animalliberationfront.com/Saints/Authors/Stories/LittleTyke.htm

We have observed vegetarian spiders which use their webs for seeds.
I believe the majority of piranha are vegetarian.
Pandas use sharp teeth for bamboo.
And the list goes on and on.

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@Leadfoot,

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ID does not absolutely preclude that happening but my personal prediction is that the designer was probably only interested in putting life where it could develop into the final form desired.

Wait that sounds a lot like the anthropic principle. Can IDers use that argument too?

Have you checked the rule book or your local federal district court judge? Maybe somebody should throw a flag or blow a whistle.

Do we need some foul shots or maybe ejection from the game for that comment.

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@brianjakub,

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Wait that sounds a lot like the anthropic principle. Can IDers use that argument too?

Kind of, but it's more like the 'anti-anthropic principal'.
ID says 'No, you scientism bitches, just because your unproven recipe for life exists elsewhere in the universe does not mean life will emerge there.

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Have you checked the rule book or your local federal district court judge? Maybe somebody should throw a flag or blow a whistle.

Do we need some foul shots or maybe ejection from the game for that comment.

Right, the infinitely knowledgeable farmerman says the courts get to decide this issue, I'm sure he will throw a flag any minute now and Set will eject me from the game for heresy.

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@Leadfoot,

Well somebody better do something, young and impressionable minds (or worse yet some of Trump's deplorabls who read Brietbart news) could be reading this. God forbid we see policy change on issues like this.

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@Leadfoot,

you could make it in the govt of Somalia , they apparently have problems with understanding several laws, even those of Biblical origin.

Why is it that you have problems understanding how laws, when broken, should not be adjudicated in COURTS?

So far, (except for Alabama) no state court or "Congress" has attempted to change a law of science.

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@Leadfoot,

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'No, you scientism bitches, just because your unproven recipe for life exists elsewhere in the universe does not mean life will emerge there.

Conditions for life,and I think everyone understands, do not mean life exists there. Science has always been built upon circumstantial evidence and that gives us a direction in which to look. Yep, Science has infinite patience. You guys need to be validated on a daily basis neh?

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@farmerman,

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no state court or "Congress" has attempted to change a law of science.

Nor should they get to dictate what is or is not science, which is what you are asking them to do (as long as it suits your opinion).

I wonder how the courts would decide the existence of 'the multiverse'? Yeah, they could get a lot of 'expert scientific witnesses' to testify to that.

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@farmerman,

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So far, (except for Alabama) no state court or "Congress" has attempted to change a law of science.

Getting Something from nothing. High complexity coming from from chaos in our observable universe breaks the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Assuming there is enough disorder in the non observable universe to compensate for the order we observe here to make the statistical math work is a leap of faith that is being court (and peer) imposed on physics.

Why must we be forced to use faith when a replicatable using our intelligence is being performed everyday by everyone

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If we use our intelligence to reproduce the conditions for abiogenisis in a lab (or outside a lab) our intelligence ends up being a factor (and possibly a requirement) for the lab experiment to be successful.

If our is intelligence not a requirement we should see pools of water without life one day, containing life the next without our intervention. But running around daily checking sterile pools for life (which is the only way to truly observe abiogenisis) has not been fruitful, and I doubt ever will be.

If there was an intelligent initiation that set up the environment in the universe, it does not have to be the omnipitent Christian God of the bible.

It could be a smaller god that can only order a small part of the universe(the part we can see and live in, similar to a lab but larger in scope). It's intelligence could have a beginning similar to abiogenis. This intelligence could have been established as a natural part of the initial matter by or with the laws of physics, and through trial and and error (learning through experience) caused abiogenis and biological evolution.

This would make this initial intelligence a purely part of a purely natural process like ours, and abiogenis in an ancient universe, would be an exact replica (maybe even in size) of what we are attempting to do again in labs today.

Maybe this intelligence was known to the ancient men as Pantheism, Paganism, Hinduism, Buddhism etc. . . and is now come to be understood as Naturalism.

You can believe in this form of intelligent design and still be an atheist.

You think we could scientifically approach intelligent design from this point of view?

brianjakub

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@brianjakub,

you should do mor reading about the second law in a biological context before you make pronouncements most of which I believe you copy rom whole sermons from Keystone TV. (A Fundamental Chritian "science" series ).

LAws of Crystllography including those of Sir Bragg cover everything that follows in your assertions.

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