Me Too

Don't flatter yourself. Nobody is making much of a come back, Izzy... They just cry a river about the very fact that Max dares write something here, talk to him constantly about how they should really avoid him, and manically thumb down whoever is not from their tribe.

The only one crying a river is Max. He’s even got his own little thread about how Me too isn’t about him, but he abandoned it because nobody gave a **** which is why he keeps whining on this one.

And that’s why half men like you join in.

I’ll say one thing for Max, he doesn’t get hysterical over knob gags unlike you.

I see a bunch of crybabies afraid to think, unable to articulate any argument, and thinking oh so very highly of themselves.

Mind you, what's a knob gag?

You’re projecting again. Control freaks like you and Max hate it when your nonsense is pointing out. You’re not thinking, you’re trying to excuse your cowardly lickspitle behaviour.

That’s why you’re both on the back foot sobbing about how unfair everyone is being.

This is an example of how sexual assault and harassment permeates throughout the world. Again, you fail to see the recklessness of your statement.

Oh I am guilty of sexual assault now? That's a serious accusation. Please explain.

Hey I'm not the one trying to control the thread... all I'm saying is: those who really want to ignore Max are welcome to actually ignore him and post their own stuff. The thread can accomodate more than one discussion I would think.

I didn't say you were guilty of sexual assault or harassment. I said your statement is how sexual assault and harassment still permeates across the world.

Okay then. How so?

Of course not, you’ve already admitted that the only thing stopping you from abusing women is your inherent cowardice.

You’re saying that Max should be able to say what he wants without anyone disagreeing with him.

And that’s the sort of thing a crybaby would say.

I never said anything like that. It'd be ridiculous. I disagree with Max on MeToo. Basically i think he wants to thrown the baby with the bathwater.

That's a lie.

I appreciate what you are doing, Olivier. This thread is getting pretty far from the topic of MeToo.

If you ignore the trolls they will stop. Remember that you don't need to respond to them.

You must live in a very pollyannic world, where daisy filled meadows and rainbows reaching as far as the eye can see are the norm.

I didn't.

I could recount experiences from the age of eleven, filled with physical and mental assault, black eyes, rapes, cuts, bruises, split lips from repeated oral sexual assault, running away, being brought home many times by a police escort, being beaten for it, being scared, being lonely, being hungry because I was too scared to come out of a locked room.

It never went away.

Ever.

Well, up to the point at 15 I left and the cops were tired of bring me back so they just told me to "don't get caught."



And you dare to call me a "crybaby."

That I'm "full of myself" and "can't articulate an argument."

I have to disagree on that. I could be more graphic or more "political" if you want. I just don't see the need for it.



*mic drop

I am sorry for what happened to you Neptune. But we are arguing over a political ideology. No one is questioning your experience.

This is a public space, a place where people with many difference experience and points of view can discuss "MeToo". Many of us agree with the core premise, but feel that MeToo has become associated with a political ideology that excludes many people.

There are places, namely Facebook, where people can set up ideological walls. Facebook allows you to block any person or opinion that might upset you. Many people go on the Internet very little outside their carefully constructed ideological bubble.

In reality, there are a great number of experiences and points of view. There are survivors of sexual assault who find the MeToo movement not only excludes them, but it discounts their own experiences.

If you want to engage with people who have different points of view, good for you. If you don't want to engage with them... that is your right too.

But you don't have the right to prevent people from presenting their points of view or to demand that other people not engage with them.

We're not "arguing" about anything.

I shared my experience. It's not an political ideology. It was my life. Discount it if you wish, and "but" all you want.

You’re full of it. If your alleged experiences are discounted it’s because you’re so unbearably coy about them.

And let’s not forget your inherent duplicity. I don’t believe a word you say about anything.

The nastiness on this thread is because of an extreme political ideology.

Let's review what happened. This started with you attacking Ollivier.

1) Olivier felt like you were attacking him. You responded to him that his statement was responsible for "sexism and harrassmen permeate the world".

2) Olivier asked "how so"?

3) Then you used your experience to explain to Olivier how he was guilting of something... ending with the statement "mic. drop".

Everyone supports your experience. Not everyone accepts your attacks on Olivier.