Me Too

Every single one of us agrees with the basic premise of #MeToo. As Neptune said quite concisely "Victims of sexual harassment and assault should have a voice and perpetrators should be punished". There isn't a person on this thread who has disagreed with this.

The disagreement is in a couple of areas.

1) What constitutes harassment (i.e. is unwanted flirting harrassment)?
2) Is "masculinity" to blame for sexual harassment or assault?

We should be happy that there we agree on the important points. Giving victims a voice was the reason that Tarana Burke started MeToo. We are all allies. We all agree on that basic point.

Sure, we disagree on the other points. You can accept people as allies even when they don't agree with you on everything. That is what coalition building is about.

We don't need the nastiness.

I do not view my position as political. I just happen to believe in equality of all people.



...and why are you so obsessed with izzy?

Politicizing sex abuse is for saps, regardless of orientation. When people spew that nonsense it is due to a personal agenda on the part of the spewer.

Oh Good! So you and I are on the same side.



Because Izzy is stalking me, following me around from thread to thread. If he stops doing that, you will never hear me mention him again.

(... and honestly Izzy amuses me)

There’s plenty of threads you contribute to that I don’t comment on.

I’m not going to stop posting on threads just because you’re talking a load of **** on them.

You could always stop talking ****.

You’re not acting like I amuse, you’re acting like I’m getting to you.

1. After being brushed off, told no or otherwise an uninterested response.
2. No.

Interesting. You agree with me about #2 (I thought we were in disagreement).

I already answered this a page ago.

Fair enough. I guess the article you posted last page confused me.

I guess you and I are more in agreement than I thought.

You are condescending to all the women who post on this forum. In other words you are the Mr. America of Mansplaining.......Edgar and I don't agree on everything, but I can tell you he has never spoken in a condescending way to the very few women who still post here. Shame on you Max.

Of course Glitterbag. You and Edgar are in the same political ideological bubble. As long as he is in lockstep agreement with you, he won't ever offend you.

It has nothing to do with Edgar's behavior. This is about political ideology, nothing else.

That's why I try to avoid you. You cannot grasp the notion that people can disagree with you or find you condescending without lashing out and claiming a bunch of people are all in the same idealogical bubble. You always resort to becoming a crybaby about how victimized you are. But the whole "metoo" thread started out as a way for people to share their stories, you didn't find it broad enough.......and if you check those three pages again....plus the 8 before and after, perhaps you will notice that it was practically all male responses. The men didn't commiserate over their experiences, instead most of them complained or lamented that men were not being treated fairly.

It didn't take long before it became the boys 'mansplaining' extravaganza. Most of the women just gave up...which is what usually happens when sexual aggression is discussed. Please try to notice that none of the males on the forum were being accused of sexual assault. But in every example others gave about their own experiences, the excuses began...like "oh my God, they want to criminalize flirting" and similar complaints.

In other words, once again you miss the point. This not about bashing men, it was supposed to be a thread where people could tell their personal story or stories of abuse. But you chose to believe it was an attack on you. It's not, unless of course you feel guilty about something. You should not feel guilty that other people transgressed, it's not your fault.....its the aggressors fault..and it needs to stop.

I drafted a response but the server timed out...that seems to happen this time at night. I'll repost it later, but the essence is you always miss the point when 'me too' is mentioned. It was never intended to paint men as beasts...it was supposed to be a place where victims (men and women) could share their story. My first sexual assault happened around the time I was nine, the man was a neighborhood friend's grandfather. I've told this story before....it took me years to acknowledge it. I knew it was wrong of him and I got out of the house and ran home. I didn't tell my parents because I feared my Dad would beat the old man and Dad would go to jail.....that's how my 8-9-10 year old brain handled the situation.

I never went back, and hid the bruises from my mother. At that time she had a 18 month old and was pretty busy . It happens, and no one is accusing you of sexual assault on this forum. I don't know how you can think sharing stories about assault is a political ideology. If your daughter was assaulted do you think it was because she adhered to the wrong ideology or would you want to know Sio you could make sure she understood it wasn't her fault? I know what I would do.

You'd be glad to know that your long letter to Max -- a wall of text starting with those most melodramatic of words: "This is why I avoid you" -- came through not one, not two but three times.

By now, he should understand why you avoid him so much...

I'm sure he does not.

The man everybody is writing to and about has no self control in this area of discussion. Whether due to trauma or other causes, he thrives on the attention while at the same time disrupting every attempt at sharing real information. It's a fool's game to respond to him with hundreds of fruitless attempts at reasoning with him. I don't get it why after all this time and wasted effort people still try.

Edgar, if you want to stop responding to me, then just stop responding to me. That means not responding to my posts. That means to stop mentioning me in your posts. It is not that hard. The problem is that I am being reasonable. You guys are in a tight little ideological bubble.

This is a topic that interests me. I have a slightly different perspective than your group. You can either engage in a reasonable dialogue, or you can stop responding..

For you all to go on and on for pages about how you are all going to stop responding to me is ridiculous. It's not that difficult. Just stop.

This is idiocy

Anyone has a right to choose to not participate in a dialogue. No one has the right to stop that dialogue from taking place among other people.

Point being that Glitter could simply, and ACTUALLY avoid Max but instead she writes long letters to him (to explain why she 'avoids' him of course).

And that applies to many others, who can't help but engage Max, only to whine that he dominates the thread and that they ought to avoid him...

It's ridiculous and he's right about that. Nobody ever highjacked any thread without the assistance of the thread participants. Max got you all in a tizzy.

I routinely disagree with Max, including on #MeToo, but I'm happy he's posting here.

Point being that you and Max think you can say whatever you want without any come backs.

Life ain’t like that, go cry to mummy or grow a pair.