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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 12:00 pm
Well, it's intended to be about women, but I could say "Me too," and be within my rights. When I was young I had a number of events where sex was almost forced on me, except I had the strength physically to resist. Even had a knife pulled on me in one episode. (We were driving. He pulled the knife and told me to go to a motel with him. When we parked at one, I simply walked out on the street and resumed hitching.)

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Women are recounting their experiences of sexual assault using the hashtag #MeToo. But will men take responsibility for their actions?
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centrox
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 01:01 pm
The problem lies overwhelmingly with men forcing their sexual attentions on other men, boys and (mostly) women. A man exposed himself to me in a railway station toilet when I was 12. I was so naive I didn't even realise what was happening. I was peeing at a urinal and this man aged about 50 went to the next urinal along and said "I bet you never saw one like this", and of course I looked. He didn't do anything else and I had a thought that it was probably best to leave the toilet at that point (I could hear my train pulling in). I thought afterwards that the poor man must have had something wrong with his penis, it looked so ugly and swollen. I also was under the impression that it was only girls who needed to watch out for bad men. I told the tale 10 years later as an adult to friends who said "you were molested". I guess my innocence protected me from any mental harm.
PUNKEY
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 01:13 pm
I was visiting a friend and as soon as she left the room her 17 year old brother rushed in and grabbed me by the shoulders and kissed me realky roughly. I was so shocked. Actually , he hurt my shoulders so much that it was that which bothered me, not the kiss. I was only 5-6. I never told my parents. I often wondered if he ever did that to other kids.

As I get older, friends share stories of incest within their families. Large families where parents were too distracted or drunk to watch their kids.

I just wonder where all this came from. We didn't have the influence of TV porn or social media in those days.
centrox
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 01:20 pm
@PUNKEY,
PUNKEY wrote:
As I get older, friends share stories of incest within their families. Large families where parents were too distracted or drunk to watch their kids.

I just wonder where all this came from. We didn't have the influence of TV porn or social media in those days.


Those things were common way before modern times. Hundreds of years.
PUNKEY
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 01:22 pm
@centrox,
Yes, but it seems so prevalent today.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 01:23 pm
@centrox,
I suspect it has been around as long as the species.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 01:25 pm
@PUNKEY,
Don't you think our communication advances shed light where nobody would have been informed in the past?
PUNKEY
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 01:39 pm
@edgarblythe,
It's just more prevalent nowadays.

Our children are being sexually stimulated at such an early age. Some have been denied the necessary oedipal transformations needed for a healthy sexual identity because of helicopter parents or emotionally incestual single parenting.

We see and hear from confused or troubled pre- teens who worry or are frightened that they are gay or bi because they are crushing on their best friend and think they must make decisions about their sexuality at 12-13.
centrox
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 01:47 pm
@PUNKEY,
PUNKEY wrote:
Some have been denied the necessary oedipal transformations needed for a healthy sexual identity because of helicopter parents or emotionally incestual single parenting.

I am afraid I think this sounds like hokum.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 02:38 pm
Kids today learn, at an early age, things I didn't learn until my teens. I don't know if hokum is an apt description.
centrox
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 03:04 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Kids today learn, at an early age, things I didn't learn until my teens. I don't know if hokum is an apt description.

My parents left books around. I read Lady Chatterley's Lover when I was 8. In 1960.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 03:05 pm
@centrox,
One kid in probably a few thousand.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 03:08 pm
@centrox,
Quote:
. The problem lies overwhelmingly with men forcing their sexual attentions on other men, boys and (mostly) women.


I don't believe this is relevant. I also don't believe that boys being victimized by women is that rare.

You are basically telling a group of victims of sexual assault that their stories don't matter. I don't know why you think this is a good thing to do.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 03:11 pm
@maxdancona,
You are swinging your Ninja sword at a false enemy. Context. Context. Context.
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 03:28 pm
@edgarblythe,
Two things Edgar.

1. The issue of male victims of sexual abuse is one that l take seriously. I dont tolerate the issue being used as a political card to play.

2. You can discuss this as a real about about addressing sexual abuse... Or you can use it as another point in an ideological narrative. You can't do both.

If this is about principle and not about partisan ideology, then you need to accept the facts. There are many victims that don't fit your narrative. Include them.

If you respect RAINN as an organization (and you should), go and read what they have to say.
centrox
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 03:33 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
You are basically telling a group of victims of sexual assault that their stories don't matter. I don't know why you think this is a good thing to do.

As my South African friends say, "bulldust".
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centrox
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 03:34 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
You are swinging your Ninja sword at a false enemy.

Small, blunt pen-knife, more like.
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centrox
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 03:37 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
1. The issue of male victims of sexual abuse is one that l take seriously. I dont tolerate the issue being used as a political card to play

You can tolerate it right up your ass. Anybody who disagrees with you is "playing a card".

Quote:
2. You can discuss this as a real about about addressing sexual abuse... Or you can use it as another point in an ideological narrative. You can't do both.

See above.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 03:43 pm
@centrox,
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You can tolerate it right up your ass.


Very nice Centrox. Rape imagery in a thread about sexual assault. You must be proud of yourself.
centrox
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2017 03:44 pm
Rolls eyes.
 

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