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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2018 09:36 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Or as T. Burke herself said: the spread of salacious stories about the rich and powerful has overtaken MeToo, and its media coverage is in essence a form of porn. People read them for titillation.


How much of #MeToo is a product of American culture? It has scandal. It has outrage. It has righteous anger. It has the humiliation of the rich and powerful. It has everything that makes a great American narrative.

I was just reading about how #MeToo hasn't really caught on in France the way it has in the US... and I had trouble explaining it when I was in Mexico. There are offshoots of it in France and other countries, but I think this is an American phenomenon. Americans have always had difficulty understanding that their cultural understandings don't always translate.

Blanche Gardin expresses this pretty well.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2018 09:52 am
@maxdancona,
Gardin doesn't represent France, mind you. In fact she would probably puke at the idea of representing the République. She's an artist after all. But the fact that she can afford to crack those jokes and live does point to a cultural difference. The op-ed in Le Monde signed by 100 women including Catherine Deneuve was another indication that there's something in #Metoo that doesn't quite translate into French. The UK, Australia and India are totally into it though, it's not just the US.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2018 09:57 am
@Olivier5,
I am very skeptical that #MeToo in the US really translates into India in the same way... I think the meaning is quite different (I don't have a good way to judge). What I see in the US makes Indian women appear to be very much like American women... I think there is a very heavy filter that makes this happens. Americans want to believe that all women think like Americans.

The UK and Australia however take a lot from US culture... they often do think like Americans. There are real cultural links with these countries.

Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2018 09:58 am
@Olivier5,
In fact, all you have to do to understand the difference is read America Day by Day by Simone de Beauvoir. Travelling alone across America in the 50s (late 40s?), she goes into all sorts of adventures (including sexual) that she narrates in a diary form.

At some point it comes as a shock to her that some US women simply hate men.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2018 10:00 am
@maxdancona,
Quote:
The UK and Australia however take a lot from US culture.

Or vice versa.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2018 03:20 pm
@Olivier5,
I thought Spacey was a magnificent actor. He chewed up House of Cards and American Beauty, I thought.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2018 04:43 pm
@Lash,
Yes, magnificent is not overstating it. I never followed HOC but American Beauty is among my favorite movies ever.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2018 05:33 am
Another parody of the song, not as funny as Max's but still amusing:

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Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2018 05:51 am
Oh, and Neil deGrasse Tyson is being accused of sexual misconduct by four women.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/nosacredcows/2018/11/two-more-women-accuse-neil-degrasse-tyson-of-sexual-misconduct/
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2018 08:15 am
UNICEF USA
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Worldwide in 2017, six women were killed every hour by someone they know.

Violence against women and girls is a gross violation of human rights, we CAN and MUST do better.

Comment: I am certain someone will be outraged that I did not mention that other people were also killed that year. **** it.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2018 09:23 am
@edgarblythe,
You must be completely exasperated. But, you gave it a try. Thanks Edgar.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2018 10:07 am
@edgarblythe,
I am curious... how many men are killed by someone they know. These statistics are meaningless without context.

By my calculations (from UN data) there are about 66 homicides worldwide an hour (people intentionally killed outside of war). I am pretty sure a majority of the victims are men (men are victims of violent crime more often than women).

Facts matter.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2018 10:50 am
@maxdancona,
Context matters more.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2018 11:08 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Context matters more.


If the "context" is an ideological echo chamber.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2018 11:10 am
@maxdancona,
Better than being bone headed about it.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2018 11:20 am
@edgarblythe,
Ok Edgar, you win Wink
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2018 11:28 am
Earlier on this thread I posted an article on female homicides in a year. Any narcissistic, self obsessed misogynistic loser could have clicked on the link and found this.

Quote:
The data collected by UNODC highlights that "men are around four times more likely than women to lose their lives as a result of intentional homicide".

The UN indicates that men accounted for eight out of 10 homicide victims worldwide.

However, the same report suggests that more than eight out of 10 victims of homicides committed by intimate partners are female.

"Intimate partner violence continues to take a disproportionately heavy toll on women," the report states.


Here's the link again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-46292919

And here's my original post.

https://able2know.org/topic/420471-53#post-6751674
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2018 11:30 am
@izzythepush,
It has to be re-enforced from time to time, because no one is going back to read the entire thread.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2018 11:33 am
@izzythepush,
I don't think of Edgar as a "narcissistic, self obsessed misogynistic loser". I was just pointing out that Edgar's statistic (like any statistic) is meaningless out of context.

Edgar's post talked about women being murdered "by someone they know". That isn't necessarily intimate partner violence.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2018 11:33 am
@edgarblythe,
I know, but it's so typical of someone to continue asking a question that's already been answered, (more than once btw.)
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